Anyone ever hear of an "adult modeling agency" called Red Temple Entertainment?

[RedTemple]

I'd like to take this oppurtunity to clear up a few misconceptions about myself and what I do in regards to the adult industry.

First I would like to thank Howard from FabScout.com, Steve from Citiboyz.com, and Rocky at EON films for their unbiased comments on this whole issue, and Rocky for his correction in regards to confusing myself with another individual. I have much respect for Rocky now.

This whole issued began when the said model that Chip was trying to recruit "requested" that he and Mr. Braden contact his agent. Note that the key word there is "requested". Yes, the said model and I have an Agreement of Service contract, but it in no way, shape or form makes that model exclusive to me. It does however state that the model is free to work with whatever companies he chooses, but if he requests a company to contact his agent, then it is only fair, just, and courteous that a company honor said request.

Another part of this is what I've come to refer to as West Hollywood Drama, and not to make light of the situation, but if I wanted to be immersed in drama, I'll relocate back to Dallas.

Now just to clarify any other misconceptions:

I do not make empty promises to either the models I represent or the directors and producers to whom I refer potential models to. Everything that I discuss with a producer or director is in turn discussed with a model. Fees are discussed between the producer or direct and the model, I have control over what is offered so how could I possibly promise insane amounts of money. Nor I do promise fringe benefits such as salon and spa, or shopping trips. The only thing that is "promised" is a confirmed date of filming and a confirmed travel itinerary once all parties are in agreement.

Touching on the bareback issue. First of all, I offer two forms of service, referal and representation. Now whether I refer or represent a model, I keep them fully informed to the risks of working in the adult industry, and also advise them for their own safety to be regularly tested for STDs. However, I cannot travel all over the country and physically take a model to be tested. I can only advise them. Yet if they do make the decision to film bareback, then it is a conscious decision made between two consenting adult performs who are well aware of the risks involved. The models whom I represent however do not film bareback. Now since I also offer the choice of referal or representation, if a model chooses referal then requests representation, there isn't much that can been done to change the past concerning their decision to perform bareback.

Now seeing as Keith Miller at Helix Studios is some whom I have developed a friendship with over the courseof our working together and some questions were raised as to Keith's decisions to work with me. I have provided models to Keith for several Helix Studios production and have occasionally been invited to shoots to act as a liasion and as a production assistant. If my work ethics were questionable, I have serious doubts that Keith would have continued working with over over the past year.

I'm not trying to change anyone's perceptions about myself or Red Temple Entertainment, but merely offering facts instead of speculation.

Thank you all for your time in reading this, and I wish all of you the best of luck in your respective fields. As Howard from FabScout.com says, "Relax ... it's just porn" and new models are discovered everyday.

Ashton Williams
Red Temple Entertainment

[gaybucks_chip]

Interesting how the information in Red Temple's post is 180 degrees different from what Ashton told AJ in private email. I don't have the email on this computer but I'll get it from AJ and quote from it.

I suspect what's going on here is some backpedaling and revisionist history in order to save face, which is fine... I don't have the slightest problem with someone saying "I'm new to the industry and this is what I'm trying to do", but that wasn't at all the impression that we were given.

The statement by the model was not a "request", it was along the lines of "I'm exclusive to Red Temple, you have to talk to them" at which point AJ said "We're not interested in doing that..." a conversation ensued, and AJ left it with "Well, we have a bazillion other models, so if we can't work with you directly, then sorry, but we're not interested" and that was pretty much the end of it from our perspective.

Then, with no contact from us, we received an email from Ashton (apparently the model had contacted him) in which he told AJ in no uncertain terms that he had a written, exclusive agreement with said model and that ALL interactions/negotiations/etc HAD to go through him, even though said model had originally contacted us before he was with Ashton. He was very, very clear that there was no other option, though he "generously" agreed to forego his commission on this transaction.

AJ raised the issue with Ashton that we weren't particularly interested in working with a model that had shot a bazillion bareback scenes, and Ashton responded that he had *no idea* that the shoots in for said model would be bareback. If true, then he simply hasn't done his homework because anyone who has been in the industry for more than 5 minutes knows that Helix shoots bareback, so the question should have at least been raised during discussions and negotiations, even if it was simply a referral and not a representation situation.

Additionally, said model told us he was planning to shoot additional bareback scenes for another studio which, if Red Temple does not allow its models to shoot bareback, kinda shoots the "exclusive representation" thing in the foot.

I'm not trying to start West Hollywood drama (or any other kind of drama) here. Howard has demonstrated and described how a professional agency relationship is supposed to work and what terms customary to the industry look like. If Red Temple some day comes up to that standard, we would consider working with Ashton. We just don't have time for people who are inserting themselves into the loop unnecessarily and creating complications that don't need to exist. Having worked with over 150 models in the past several years, we've developed a means of working with them that treats the model ethically and fairly, gives us a reasonable deal, and our models go away very happy. We've had models with "agents" before, and what we've done is work the deal with the model, who then runs it past the agent, and that's fine, and a lot simpler for everyone.

Bottom line is, if people are ethical and approach things with a "let's find a solution" mentality instead of a "You have to do it my way or else" approach, they win a lot more friends in the industry.

[RedTemple]

I appreciate your position, and I completely agree about finding a solution so that everyone walks away happy.

But again to add even more clarification, the model only performed in one bareback scene. Not a "bazillion".

But regardless, if there was a misinterpretation in the context on the messages exchanged, let me be the first to offer my apologies, I know that everyone interprets things differently.

Your statements stating that the model in question never requested that you contact his agent because he was an exclusive and the statement where AJ raised the issue where they weren't particularly interested in working with a model who had performed in a bazillion bareback scenes contradict the statements where emphasis was implied to the fact the the model had contacted them a year prior to being represented by an agent and then again when AJ expressed his hopes that one of his numerous companies could work with said model in the future because he can do alot for him.

But yes, in the Agreement of Services between said model and myself it does state that any and all oppurtunites are subject to review by his agent at the models request. At no time was it stated that anyone was under exclusive contract, not that any deal had to be contracted though me, simply to keep me infromed directly. It's not my concern to sign models exclusively to an agent.

Again I apologize for any confusion on my behalf, and that in order to clear this situation it had to result in accusations being flung.

[gaybucks_chip]

I appreciate your position, and I completely agree about finding a solution so that everyone walks away happy.

But again to add even more clarification, the model only performed in one bareback scene. Not a "bazillion".

Then your model is telling you something different than what he's telling us, which as we all know is both possible and likely.

Your statements stating that the model in question never requested that you contact his agent because he was an exclusive and the statement where AJ raised the issue where they weren't particularly interested in working with a model who had performed in a bazillion bareback scenes contradict the statements where emphasis was implied to the fact the the model had contacted them a year prior to being represented by an agent and then again when AJ expressed his hopes that one of his numerous companies could work with said model in the future because he can do alot for him.

The statement above is about as clear as mud, but if I read it right, what you've indicated is not what AJ or I said, and we've both spoken to him.

The model did clearly tell us to contact his agent, and we equally clearly told him we weren't interested. Our interest also waned considerably when the model told AJ that he had done multiple bareback scenes in the past (I'd inferred he'd done only a single scene), and that he was planning to do a bunch of bareback scenes for yet another studio in the near future, and so that combination of factors was pretty much the end of the conversation, and our interest in the model, until we got your email.

We strongly prefer not to work with models who have barebacked extensively because we aren't interested in supporting models who choose to portray that message on video. (Not to mention putting our other models at risk, in spite of our testing and condom use.) Not to say we've never done it, only that as we're lucky enough to be in the position of having considerably more models that want to work with us than we can actually use, we can now choose more carefully and work with models that are more likely to convey the healthy image and corporate philosophy we're cultivating.

I'm not sure what the model implied to you, but no promises, expressed or impled, were made. AJ did discourage the model from doing further bareback scenes for his own safety, and suggested that he carefully consider his career choices, because it's easy to get overexposed if you have 5 studios marketing you simultaneously, vs one or two, or doing a series of scenes for a bunch of studios over a longer period. He probably also told the model we would be less interested in working with him if he did a bunch of bareback stuff.

Both AJ and I did point out that for a model seeking high visibliity, working with an established studio with a marketing machine in place is usually better than working with a studio that has few or no titles or no website.

But yes, in the Agreement of Services between said model and myself it does state that any and all oppurtunites are subject to review by his agent at the models request.

That phrase is very poorly worded so I have no idea what you're actually trying to say, but reading it at face value, I interpret it to mean that the model can ask you to review a contract if he wants to, but is not obligated to do so.

Fine. We encourage models to have a professional review our agreements (which are written in plain English, not legalese) to make sure we're not pulling any funny business. We just have little to no interest in talking to the agency in question.

At no time was it stated that anyone was under exclusive contract, not that any deal had to be contracted though me, simply to keep me infromed directly. It's not my concern to sign models exclusively to an agent.

As I said, I'll repost when I get the emails from AJ (who is out of town). The clear inference that both AJ and I took was if we wanted this model, we *had* to work through you, and I'm near certain that the word "exclusive" was used. If that turns out not to be the case, I will be the first to admit it and offer an apology.

But I do think it's good for all concerned that the opportunity was created to bring these issues up... and the good thing that's come out of it is the idea of a website for unbiased model information, which I think will benefit not only the models, but also the legitmate webmasters, studios, and agents... and perhaps cause some of the shadier ones to either change their ways or have a more difficult time pulling one over on a model.

[Squirt]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!! :balls:

[RedTemple]

With the exception of removing the model's real name and myhomenumber I provided AJ these are the emails exchanged between he and I ...

AJ,

That was a year ago, before he got an agent.

I'm not looking to interfere, and I did not contract an deal with you so therefore I would not recieve a fee from _____. I'm simply making sure it benefits him.

Second, the bareback scene he performed in were not my decision, I was completely unaware that he performed bareback until AFTER the filming was complete. Since then he has not and will not perform in any bareback films period.

But regardless, he is under contract, and the stipulations stated in that contract are that all offers and oppurtunities are to be reviewed by me, it doesn't have to be brokered through me,but you would have to keep in the loop directly. If that doesn't work, then my apologies.

Ashton Williams
Red Temple Entertainment

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: AJ
Date: Nov 17 2006 11:37 PM


Hi Ashton,

As I told _____ I don't have time for middle men, but I don't mind keeping you in the loop. If he decides to work with us he can fill you in on the details and share what ever agreement we reach. If he is not availialble to speak to directly then i'm afraid that I will have to pass on working with him, as I told him I have more than enough models to work with. I have worked with hundreds of models, and honestly "agents" always seem to get in the way of making stuff happen smoothly and the model gets paid less so your fee can be covered. Working with an "agent" in this case is not in _____ best interest. Whether _____ works with one of my companies or not I have offered my help to him if he has any questions about the industry or opportunities - that offer is still open to him. Most of the work you have him doing, as he has explained to me, is NOT GOOD for his career, and I really hope, as his agent, you don't allow him to participate in anymore bareback scenes. They are not safe and bad for his career. Also, having him work with small companies will make it harder for him to work with larger ones in the future. I hope _____ and one of my companies can work with him in the future since we can do a lot for him. For the record, he did not request that I talk to you, and he applied to model for us over a year ago, with no mention of an "agent".

Good luck,

AJ Braden
President
Media Resource Communications, INC.
AJ@MRConline.net

AJ

_____ told me that you contacted him about a potential oppurtunity in January, but that you didn't want to use a "middle man" after he requested you consult his agent.

_____ is under contract with Red Temple Entertainment, so any and all oppurtunities have no choice but to go through me for review and consideration, it's a non-negotiable clause stated in the contract.

If you are in fact interested in discussing a possible arrangement, you may contact me directly at redtempleentertainment@yahoo.com or you may call me at __________.

Ashton
Red Temple Entertainment

Basically it all boils down to miscommunication. You're no longer interested in working with said model, and from what he's expressed tome he's no longer interested in working with you either. Case closed to my knowledge. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Ashton Williams
Red Temple Entertainment

[maxpower]

Basically it all boils down to miscommunication. You're no longer interested in working with said model, and from what he's expressed tome he's no longer interested in working with you either. Case closed to my knowledge. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

The Hell you say, this all could not just be drama I know for a fact gay people never act like that :haha:

[gaybucks_chip]

Ashton,

Thanks for posting that, though common courtesy and professionalism dictates that one does not post whole emails received from another without first contacting them and receiving permission. No one acting professionally in the business would do that, and it's pretty concerning that you as someone claiming to be an agent would post potentially confidential/proprietary exchanges without checking in advance.

I stand corrected, and I apologize for the misstatement that the emails included the word "exclusive." That was my inference based on your phrase

_______is under contract with Red Temple Entertainment, so any and all oppurtunities have no choice but to go through me for review and consideration

Certainly sounds like a claim of exclusivity to me.

Also, it's not that we aren't interested in working with said model... it's that we aren't interested in working with him *IF* he's going to do a bunch more bareback scenes.

[RedTemple]

Chip,

I appreciate your apology.

And seeing as you stated to lucky enough to be in the position of having considerably more models to work with, I can't possibly see any reason for one model to be of such concern.

The model has expressed to me that he does not care to work with any of the companies you represent, his decision, not mine. If he changes his mind at a later date, then that is also his decision.

So really I see no need to continue debating this matter.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors,

Ashton Williams
Red Temple Entertainment

[FabScout]

who wants options on all of this......?...?
..I want.,...uhm...Uhm.....Lukas Ridgeston to play me........(shoot never mind I mean I want him to play WITH ME),,

heheheheh

hope everyone has a great weekend.....I have to go to a mall with Lukas...on a freaking Saturday...of a freakin Holida weekend.....anyone wanna trade places?..?

hehehehe

""Relax...its just porn::....have a fun weekend everyone

[EonFilms_Rocky]

who wants options on all of this......?...?
..I want.,...uhm...Uhm.....Lukas Ridgeston to play me........(shoot never mind I mean I want him to play WITH ME),,

heheheheh

hope everyone has a great weekend.....I have to go to a mall with Lukas...on a freaking Saturday...of a freakin Holida weekend.....anyone wanna trade places?..?

hehehehe

""Relax...its just porn::....have a fun weekend everyone

HAHA! Name dropper!

:-P

[tsupak]

Guys... I know this fellow quite well. Honestly, I dont luike to admit it, but we dated for some time a few years ago. I can tell you anything and everything you want to know about this character and well... lets just say not to believe everything he promises or says he or his so-called company is LOL.

[tsupak]

whoops turns out its not the same uy.... my bad:yeah:

[DonMike]

Heh heh, also turns out this is a very old post. For those of us who have been on this board forever it always looks so odd to see old posts. Especially some other ones that are full of people we haven't heard from in years.