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    Yes the CocoDorm is in a residential area, however, the business is located in a commercial area.

    Nothing happens in the house except for boys living and having sex there, same as what happens in many other homes behind closed doors, except we have cameras on the walls, which sends the live streams to our server at our business office. No customers come to the location and no business is transacted at the location.

    The CocoDorm case is no different from the Voyeur Dorm case, except we have Black & Latin males instead of females.

    The city of Miami claims the only area that a live cam house can be located is in a industrial area AND with special permits. This of course is all bullshit and once this case is heard before a judge in a courtroom instead of a volunteer community board, the decision will be in our favor. Which is why we are not moving and not shutting down.


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    i'm not a lawyer or a city planner, but what you are doing in the house - the guys having sex for videos and streaming - is part of your business. they wouldn't be there if it wasn't.

    in california, you must shoot content in a commercially zoned building, regardless of where and when it is used. it can be a fully closed and locked studio open to no one from the public, but if it's residential, you can be fined and shut down. it doesn't matter where you pay your models - the only point is that what they are doing is for pay and they are doing it at that location. i guess the laws are different there.


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    I agree with Chad that I hope, for the greater good of the adult industry, that the Voyeur Dorm precedent is upheld... but I think it's a specious argument that "no business is being transacted."

    If you have cameras, and people doing things on camera, and people are paying to watch the things happening on camera, that sounds an awful lot like a business to me. And while the monetary transactions themselves may not be occurring at the house, certainly business-related pursuits are.

    I wish you the best of luck, but I can also see why the zoning board might have a problem... it's one of those situations where if you make one exception, you're pretty much obligated to do it for anyone else who comes along, and the next business-related activity in a residential area might not be as low-impact as your cam house.


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    The more im reading about FlavaWorks the more i get the feeling that these guys just dont have a clue....

    Blogger Jasmyne Cannick reported at her site that she and other bloggers had been targeted for a lawsuit by Phillip Bleicher, owner of Flavaworks, which operates porn sites and publishes erotic magazines featuring African American and Latin men.

    Cannick wrote that Bleicher was seeking $250,000 for libel. "Good luck," Cannick wrote, saying, "I have a hard time getting $2.50 together much less $250,000," and stating later on in her blog that, "I know what libel is and I know what libel isn’t and nothing that was written was libel."

    Wrote Cannick, "We simply stated and facts, which I am happy to do again."

    Among the facts in question, which Cannick restated in her blog, were allegations that Flavaworks, which runs online sites Cocoboyz, Thugboy, and PapiCock, had been cited in a report by the Chicago Department of Health in connection with an investigation by the Department into sexual practices of the company’s young male performers.

    Cannick’s blog made reference to another blog site, run by Bernie Tarver, who Cannick said was also being sued by Flavaworks. Cannick wrote that Tarver had reported on a Chicago Free Press story in which the Chicago Department of Health had ordered Flavaworks to cease and desist on the basis that they "knowingly allowed the spread of HIV and other sexually-transmitted [sic] diseases" through unsafe sexual performances by their web site models.

    Cannick wrote that according to Christopher Brown, assistant commissioner for HIV / AIDS / STD programs at the Chicago Department of Public Health, the city’s Health Department was informed by HIV service providers that clients of the HIV service "could be seen on the website engaging in unsafe sex" (quote attributed to Brown).

    Wrote Cannick, "While the models are Black and Latino, the owner of the company, Phillip Bleicher, is White."

    Cannick also wrote that the models worked in poor conditions, that many of them were young runaways, and that the month-long contracts the models signed specified a given number of sexual performances that were due to earn a stipend. The stipend, however, was generally not equal to charges that the company allegedly levied--for food and bed linens, for example--and that this sometimes led to the models being in debt to the company, at which point they would be offered new 30-day contracts.

    Cannick wrote that Bleicher let Chicago for Miami, where NBC 6 ran a story in May that alleged Bleicher was running a web-based adult entertainment concern from a location in a residential area.

    Cannick’s report contained a quote from Miami Assistant City Attorney Victoria Mendez, who said, "It’s the city’s position that the activity that is happening at that location should not be happening."

    Mendez continued, "It’s a single-family residence and there are children in the vicinity, and the city feels that this should be stopped immediately."

    An attorney for Ravaworks, James Benjamin, was quoted in Cannick’s story as responding to this by saying, "I assure you that all of the allegations take place in a private area, behind a locked door, in a house that goes over out of cyberspace on the Internet."

    Continued Benjamin, "No child near there or anywhere outside the
    house has any idea what happens inside, just like nobody knows what happens in your house, sir."

    Cannick reported that the city of Miami cited the company for various code violations, and that the question of whether or not the web-cast performances were a violation has not yet been determined.

    Cannick wrote that before she was named in the lawsuit, her site received multiple messages in support of Flavaworks, including postings that pointed out Cannick’s own work had appeared in one of the company’s magazines, "which I have never ever denied."

    "At one time Flavaworks did contact me to publish my op-eds. So what?" wrote Cannick.

    "I don’t understand what that has to do with the Chicago Department of Public Health’s report and their other questionable activities. Money doesn’t equal silence."

    "I don’t have one issue with Flavaworks publishing my op-ed’s," continued Cannick. "In a sea of photos of half naked and naked men, at least for the five or so months they published my articles, their readers got some knowledge to go with that hand job."

    Wrote Cannick, "As far as I’m concerned, if the KKK had a national magazine and wanted to publish my articles they could as long as they paid me and didn’t edit it anyway [sic]."

    "If you like porn that’s your business," added Cannick. "I’ve got no issues with that. But there is a reason why all of these allegations and investigations are being launched against Flavaworks... something just ain’t right and sooner or later the truth will come out.

    "Don’t hate on me for reporting it."
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    The Miami City Attorney seems terribly worried that there is gay sex going on inside a house and there are children in the neighborhood.

    Umm-- OK, so that could be MY house too --
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    Lee has no clue

    Perhaps if Lee read into the full story he would have a clue! Jasmyne is making this a race issue when in fact it is not. Please Read this Lee and get a clue.

    http://brooklynboyblues.blogspot.com...-time-for.html


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    there are areas zoned for residential AND commercial - and usually the residences are cheaper. wouldn't it be more practical to run a live house in such an area? that would cut one of their arguments right out from under them...
    problem with that is they would ALSO want you in special "sex approved" areas on top of this which are usually commercial areas in the slums.

    when we had our issues a few years ago with our neighbors we were lucky that the zoning board looked at us and wouldn't even get involved. we eventually just moved, it was cheaper in the longrun.
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    I am sympathetic to neighborhoods where this kind of thing takes place, but only so much. The mcmansion next door to us in Capistrano Beach is being used as an upscale drug rehab house. We were hoping for actual neighbors instead, but then again I don't see pornstars as being such bad neighbors. Perhaps we can work something out and trade our druggies for your pornstars.
    I think the biggest issue with having and active business in a residential neighborhood would be traffic. Laws aside, you wouldn't want to live next door to a liquor store, but if you actually have people living there rather than an active studio that doesn't seem like it would be so problematic.

    I'd think that the LA area would have different laws. Wouldn't porn shooting fall under the same rules as any other film shoots? It would seem that there would have to be regulations on film shooting in the area around Hollywood.
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    in which I change my mind

    Yeah, that deal where you charge people for stuff you supply and pay them less than their expenses is how they keep legal slavery going in third world countries. Then the thing where they've got HIV positive models engaging in risky sex, that's also disconcerting. I take back my offer. I'll keep the druggies. Rehabbers sounds better than a pornslave HIV production company.
    I can imagine that if you worked in an HIV clinic and then saw your clients barebacking someone in real time, you'd probably get a bit agitated. You'd probably want to kick some ass.
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