How should I choose my new BILLER?

[MistahTaylor]

Im currently looking at my options for a new biller..
This is my first time looking for a biller so what are the pros and cons of CCBILL/EPOCH/VERATEL or however you spell it

what should I look out for?
also what do you think is the best solution for me to start out with?

Please give me your opinion cause I wanna make sure I make the right choice and the good choice.

Im sure there is some sort of difference so it would be nice to know what Im looking at on those avenues

[basschick]

if you have $1500 - hopefully you do - sign up with ccbill and epoch. then you can use epoch's cascading feature. later on, if you choose, you can add a cascading program like NATS, too. plus you can mirror your tour twice and offer those affiliates who want to use only ccbill or only epoch an epoch-only and ccbill-only tour.

i don't care for verotel myself - they''re not very flexible and their affiliate stats blow - but it's good if you're broke or not in a country that is currently accepted by ccbill or epoch.

if you decide to go with EITHER ccbill or epoch, both are good companies. more affiliates know ccbill, and ccbill does allow affiliates to keep all their accounts in one master account so they receive only one check. i think epoch is working on this, but i don't think an affiliate can do this themselves yet. epoch is the king of cross sales and seems to have a slighly higher acceptance rate. honestly you can't go wrong with either of them.

[MistahTaylor]

if you have $1500 - hopefully you do - sign up with ccbill and epoch. then you can use epoch's cascading feature. later on, if you choose, you can add a cascading program like NATS, too. plus you can mirror your tour twice and offer those affiliates who want to use only ccbill or only epoch an epoch-only and ccbill-only tour.

i don't care for verotel myself - they''re not very flexible and their affiliate stats blow - but it's good if you're broke or not in a country that is currently accepted by ccbill or epoch.

if you decide to go with EITHER ccbill or epoch, both are good companies. more affiliates know ccbill, and ccbill does allow affiliates to keep all their accounts in one master account so they receive only one check. i think epoch is working on this, but i don't think an affiliate can do this themselves yet. epoch is the king of cross sales and seems to have a slighly higher acceptance rate. honestly you can't go wrong with either of them.

Yes I have more than enough money.. cash is not a problem financially I dont care what the cost is.. I just wanna know what the best solution is.. Thank you dzinerbear and basschick

[basschick]

in that case, go for both. it allows you the most flexibility and you can go with epoch cascading to ccbill right away, which means some more sales than you would have had. what's more, while you could license NATS, i think beginning programs are helped by having the biller pay the affiliates directly, so perhaps it's to your advantage to start out with epoch cascading to ccbill.

and michael, i also remember hearing that ccbill is working on their cascading solution.

Yes I have more than enough money.. cash is not a problem financially I dont care what the cost is.. I just wanna know what the best solution is.. Thank you dzinerbear and basschick

[abostonboy]

Go for both. Stay away from Verotel if you want affiliates. It's a POS.

[MistahTaylor]

LOL is verotel like that old biller.. Hmm Im trying to think of there name.. Chip help me out with this one.. Are they likee that biller that went out of business and didnt pay anyone? Or was not paying anyone LOL.. I forgot there name it has come to a loss for some reason.. Someone refresh my memory HEHE

[chadknowslaw]

Yes I have more than enough money.. cash is not a problem financially I dont care what the cost is..

spoken like a man who has a company expense account~

[MistahTaylor]

spoken like a man who has a company expense account~

HAHA thanks to my family LOL.. HAHA that quote made me sound like a complete snobby bitch.. Leave it to chad thanks.. LOL playing did you check out my penis pics yet :playboy:

[Chilihost]

my 2 cents: if money is not an issue, start off properly by leasing NATS for $150/mo, then changing billers in the future will a lot easier and you won't have to force your affiliates to change their link codes.

For billers, I would go with epoch and ccbill for cc processing and gxbill for phone billing. Both epoch and ccbill have their own strengths, if you want to maximize your sales you will research those strenghts and setup geotargeted cascades as appropriate.

cheers,
Luke

[Xstr8guy]

if you decide to go with EITHER ccbill or epoch, both are good companies. more affiliates know ccbill, and ccbill does allow affiliates to keep all their accounts in one master account so they receive only one check. i think epoch is working on this, but i don't think an affiliate can do this themselves yet.

Just to clarify this point...
Epoch does allow affiliates to combine different accounts into a master account. Here is a link to our Epoch affiliate join page for example... http://www.epochstats.com/wmreg/add_...php?program=64

[basschick]

oh, thanks! last i heard, it was still on the way.

Just to clarify this point...
Epoch does allow affiliates to combine different accounts into a master account. Here is a link to our Epoch affiliate join page for example... http://www.epochstats.com/wmreg/add_...php?program=64

[Dzinerbear]

Right now, I'd say Epoch is your best option because their new system cascades. So if the sale is decline by Epoch, it'll go to ccbill. That will increase your revenue. But I believe ccbill is debuting a similar system shortly. (I might be wrong there.) Verotel, in my opinion, is a "only if you have to" biller. They've also had some problems in the past and they process for some pretty questionable stuff. I'd stick with Epoch or ccbill.

Epoch also has more options for European customers who don't always use or have credit cards.

Michael

[ccjax]

system cascades. So if the sale is decline by Epoch, it'll go to ccbill. That will increase your revenue. But I believe ccbill is debuting a similar system shortly.

Michael

Since you and others asked...
CCBill's own cascading affiliate system is in beta and on the near horizon for release.
http://www.ccbill.com/beta
First is the cascade to Epoch, with SegPay following shortly.

Want to be on the test - sign-up and then drop me a line, too.

[SebSloPro]

I would like to speak on behalf of my experience with 3 processors:
Epoch
CCBill
Verotel

I first took my membership sites to Verotel. I was with them at the very first starting stages of my membership sites:

Here's my experience and pros & cons with Verotel: :footmouth: :footmouth:
Pros: 24/7 support
1800 phone support

They don't really speak good english. I was with their "Tickets Club" and I didn't really like it at all.
Apparently, they started wanting 2257 model releases and I left them. They weren't the friendliest people at all. I always had problems with members gaining instant log-in. I think they manually do it.

I left Verotel when they wanted model releases because I don't release that to anyone, and I purchase feeds from:
AEBN, World Wide Feeds, XAMO, & Hard Gay Feeds, and they demanded model releases from all of those. Well that's a seperate entity. I didn't even have the releases. So I said good bye.

I then went to CCBill. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
I was happy with CCBill, but it wasn't the greatest experiences.
3/4 of my new memberships were declined for stupid reasons such as if they didn't click on a link in their email or something they would be declined. I received anywhere from 3-5 declined memberships daily.

CCBill is a very good processor, I will give them credit on that. But I left when they made a homophobic comment.
They're webmaster affiliate program wasn't the best, but it was okay.

I left CCBill, and now I'm with Epoch. I have NOTHING bad to say about Epoch except sometimes their compliance department is a little too picky on approving things sometimes. I'll say something about it, and then they're fine.

They have a great affiliate program, they pay weekly, they pay webmasters weekly. I think they're awesome.

The only problem I've had with Epoch in the 6-7 months that I've been with them is at times their compliance dept. is really picky. And sometimes it can take several days for a site to become approved.
I plan on remaining with epoch for a long time. :broccoli: :broccoli: :broccoli:

So there you have it. My experiences. :chef:

[NoraM]

I would like to speak on behalf of my experience with 3 processors:
Epoch
CCBill
Verotel

I first took my membership sites to Verotel. I was with them at the very first starting stages of my membership sites:

Here's my experience and pros & cons with Verotel: :footmouth: :footmouth:
Pros: 24/7 support
1800 phone support

They don't really speak good english. I was with their "Tickets Club" and I didn't really like it at all.
Apparently, they started wanting 2257 model releases and I left them. They weren't the friendliest people at all. I always had problems with members gaining instant log-in. I think they manually do it.

I left Verotel when they wanted model releases because I don't release that to anyone, and I purchase feeds from:
AEBN, World Wide Feeds, XAMO, & Hard Gay Feeds, and they demanded model releases from all of those. Well that's a seperate entity. I didn't even have the releases. So I said good bye.

I then went to CCBill. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
I was happy with CCBill, but it wasn't the greatest experiences.
3/4 of my new memberships were declined for stupid reasons such as if they didn't click on a link in their email or something they would be declined. I received anywhere from 3-5 declined memberships daily.

CCBill is a very good processor, I will give them credit on that. But I left when they made a homophobic comment.
They're webmaster affiliate program wasn't the best, but it was okay.

I left CCBill, and now I'm with Epoch. I have NOTHING bad to say about Epoch except sometimes their compliance department is a little too picky on approving things sometimes. I'll say something about it, and then they're fine.

They have a great affiliate program, they pay weekly, they pay webmasters weekly. I think they're awesome.

The only problem I've had with Epoch in the 6-7 months that I've been with them is at times their compliance dept. is really picky. And sometimes it can take several days for a site to become approved.
I plan on remaining with epoch for a long time. :

So there you have it. My experiences. :chef:

Thanks JJ !!! :thumbsup: