Quote Originally Posted by Xstr8guy View Post
Socialism is a dirty word to Americans. Most wealthy European countries have strong, successful socialist programs and are proud of them. The U.S. has socialist programs too but we refuse to label them as such... Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, etc. What's the big deal? I personally would love to see a strengthening of social programs in the U.S. I would love to see a good Universal Health Care program for all Americans. And I make NO apologies for that!
Xstr8guy, what supposed democratic country has a social program that runs great? Frances socialist programs are a terrible failure. Yes, we have socialist programs you mention but the have never worked and never will work. You forgot the famous CRA law which really was a great socialist plan passed under Carter. This is one total fuckup.

You want universal healthcare, the Obama plan? Where’s the money going to come from to pay for it? Borrow more? Raise our taxes again? The Clinton plan? Force you to pay or get fined, even if you can’t afford it? Get fined and lose your house. Great plans. Oh, I forgot they are going to let the tax cuts for people making over $200K expire. So we are going to raise taxes on people that pay the tax bill now, who create the jobs, and have ways to defer their income so they won’t pay the taxes. I guess next time someone unemployed needs a job they should go to someone on welfare.