would you buy a website

[abostonboy]

lloyd - my question was mainly because I'm seeing more and more designer sites add pre-built, buy and go templates.

It made me think of turnkeys and wanted to see if people would pick up the pre-built if they were attached to domains. Or, if it was just better to have a storage of pre-bult designs where people can edit the text as they need, chance the css and page color if they want the design but need it blue, not green.

What do these designs lead to? A paysite? If it's a paysite, then the design is a minimal cost. The content is the most expensive. IMHO sites that rely on cheap content (plugins) are pretty much dead. If one can afford the content startup costs then one could afford their own designer otherwise they really shouldn't be in this business.

[deanb]

This thread really has 2 completely different directions.

[abostonboy]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

[deanb]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

He isn't talking about paysites, or TGP/MGP. Its hard to explain, Craig can. LOL

[Squirt]

You know he isn't a scammer, and posting that is false, and you know it, why not just retract your statement?

You posted a link to the design, so you received it, how exactly were you scammed, or am I missing something?

I have never posted on GWW or any other board a bad experience with a designer until now. Do a search. This is a first.

I will not stand by and have my money taken, then be threatened via ICQ by Craig aka IdolNights as a moderator regarding GWW.

If you honestly think that the link I gave to a single page was to be the completed site re-design that is expected post 1990's you have got to be joking. Then again it's not your money. Not your problem.

Lee has had many issues with designers in the past, for the first time I know how he feels and I understand why he refused to pay. In the future I wont even pay 1/2 up front. Being ripped off sucks big time.

[deanb]

I have never posted on GWW or any other board a bad experience with a designer until now. Do a search. This is a first.

I will not stand by and have my money taken, then be threatened via ICQ by Craig aka IdolNights as a moderator regarding GWW.

If you honestly think that the link I gave to a single page was to be the completed site re-design that is expected post 1990's you have got to be joking. Then again it's not your money. Not your problem.

Lee has had many issues with designers in the past, for the first time I know how he feels and I understand why he refused to pay. In the future I wont even pay 1/2 up front. Being ripped off sucks big time.

Why don't you tell everyone how much the design cost? You got a design from him, that is my point, selecting a bad designer isn't the designers fault, thats why they have portfolios.

Again you are saying you got ripped off, when you got the design, is it the best design? No, and I will agree with you there, with some tweaking it could maybe be decent, the header is off to a good start.

But if you don't pay designers for good work, you aren't going to get it.

EDIT: PS, I am guilty of being cheap with designers too, but again, I don't expect the kind of work from a cheap designer that I would from webinc or dickmans, or mark tiarra

[IdolKnights]

so you are looking to do like monster templates?

The domain name and design are only a small part of a site. There has to be content or some way to make money. When you add content, the costs really rise. Or if its a doorway site to a revenue source (dating etc) then one has to rely on that for income.

The hard part that I see is most that buy these don't have the experience in marketing to make any money.

yes and no (monster templates)

yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.

But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.

But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.

Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.

[Squirt]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

If it's anything like I was provided through Craig aka Happysucks aka SappyHucks aka IdolNights or his designer friend Mcnasty aka Megachops aka Dru then it would look like this if it's a different scheme with him then I have no idea, but I'd be weary of what you'll get for your hard earned money. $0.02

[gaybucks_chip]

I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.

If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.

[deanb]

If it's anything like I was provided through Craig aka Happysucks aka SappyHucks aka IdolNights or his designer friend Mcnasty aka Megachops aka Dru then it would look like this if it's a different scheme with him then I have no idea, but I'd be weary of what you'll get for your hard earned money. $0.02

Really Squirt this is all getting old, and everyone here knows Craig didn't rip you off. Lay off of it.

[deanb]

I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.

If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.

I agree with you Chip 100%, but I think just allowing someone to keep calling someone else a scammer, when this thread is completely transparent is absurd.

[abostonboy]

yes and no (monster templates)

yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.

But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.

But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.

Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.

Gotta get some sleep. i think I just don't understand what you really are trying to sell. But I think you maybe sitting on inventory (domains/designs) until you find a buyer. That maybe something that you would have to see if it was worth the investment of time and money. Monster templates can make a decent ROI in that they sell more than one of each template and have quite a few to choose from,so somebody can usually find something they like.

But, design is the one element that can make or break a site. I have seen and marketed what i thought was the BEST designed sites, only to find that I couldn't sell them at all. Designs get tweaked all the time to make better conversions. That something you would have to keep in mind I guess.

lloyd

[Squirt]

Why don't you tell everyone how much the design cost? You got a design from him, that is my point, selecting a bad designer isn't the designers fault, thats why they have portfolios.

Again you are saying you got ripped off, when you got the design, is it the best design? No, and I will agree with you there, with some tweaking it could maybe be decent, the header is off to a good start.

But if you don't pay designers for good work, you aren't going to get it.

EDIT: PS, I am guilty of being cheap with designers too, but again, I don't expect the kind of work from a cheap designer that I would from webinc or dickmans, or mark tiarra

You are dragging this deep down into the gutter and it has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's not your problem. It's not your experience.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll copy/paste the links I was given to his previous work by Craig, and the sob story I was given by Craig about his "friend" who needed my money and work, but at this point it's just a warning to others who might be looking for a site design or "turnkey" site by Craig aka HappySucks aka SappyHucks aka Idolnights or his friend Dru aka McNasty aka Megachops.

Nothing needs to be made more from this then it is. End of story. Just drop it. I've said my peace as has everyone else regarding this matter.

[abostonboy]

I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.

If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.

Wait a minute. I am just having a conversation about what Craig is trying to do.

[deanb]

You are dragging this deep down into the gutter and it has absolutely nothing to do with you. It's not your problem. It's not your experience.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll copy/paste the links I was given to his previous work by Craig, and the sob story I was given by Craig about his "friend" who needed my money and work, but at this point it's just a warning to others who might be looking for a site design or "turnkey" site by Craig aka HappySucks aka SappyHucks aka Idolnights or his friend Dru aka McNasty aka Megachops.

Nothing needs to be made more from this then it is. End of story. Just drop it. I've said my peace as has everyone else regarding this matter.

Yet you still made false statements against Craig that you KNOW are not true. If you haven't done any work with him in YEARS as you state, why would you take his word on a designer, or why were you asking him about one?

If anyone has drug this thread "deep" into the gutter it is you, you have posted nothing in this thread, except to call Craig a scammer, and you KNOW he isn't one, why don't you just man up and admit that he isn't one?

I will take up for Craig, as I know what kind of person he is, and I know that you know that too, for what reason you are trying to drag his name through the gutter, I am not sure, but I will continue to defend him.