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    i didn't read nick's post as i have him on my ignore list. that being said, i feel fairly certain that i am the female person of which he speaks.

    nick's version of reality is very different from real reality. he has said to several people that i am such a bummer that i brought down and ruined the webmaster dinner he attended. it appears that nick is unaware that i am the person who has set up nearly all the webmaster lunches in l.a., and if people couldn't stand to be around me, they wouldn't have been at the one he attended since they would have already known what a bummer i was.

    most people considered it the most successful l.a. webmaster event up to that time, judging by the large number of people who wanted to do it again and the huge amount of positive feedback around afterward from virtually everyone but nick and the epoch people, who i don't know well. i've had dinner or lunch with a bunch of the people who were there afterward, so while i was offended at nick's rudeness in talking about me, i wasn't particularly concerned.


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    I dont know but for someone who 'never liked the place' Nick seems to have a knack of posting here and riling our community members up.

    Perhaps a better idea for Nick rather than taking time to annoy and bitch at people here, if he doesnt like the place so much would be to simply quite posting, i mean heck, its such a dry-drunk place in his mind anyway, wont be any loss to his business $0.02

    Regards,

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    PLEASE! bleeeeeeeeech.

    The webmaster dinner I attended was called by DonMike, promoted here by DonMike, and I made my eservation with DonMike.

    I had a wonderful time during it, and I have said so in public posts. I have described in some detail over the past year the great conversations with ArmPitLover, and DonMike (a great business partner), the fellow from Specialty Publications, Gary from CCBill (who I became a business client of days later), Deanb (whose site I since promote), Manifest Men (whose site I since promote) ... etc etc.

    After the dinner was over, outside the restaurant, in front of a dozen or more people not connected to the dinner, there was an incident of slander that to this day defies any sense of reason.

    For some reason, still unknown to me, Patti decided it was the right time and right place to ask me a business question. I did not feel being outdoors, outside of a restaurant, on a sidewalk, in front of a dozen or more strangers, was the time or place to discuss gay webmastering business.

    I offered a vague "I don't see where I can describe what your asking in public, so I'll give you a vague throw away answer" at which point Patti shouted at the top of her lungs 'THAT'S ILLEGAL."

    And after looking at five people closest to me with their jaws dropped to their knees, in stunned disbelief, I turned around and walked away as fast as possible.

    Short of running.



    Quote Originally Posted by basschick View Post
    i didn't read nick's post as i have him on my ignore list. that being said, i feel fairly certain that i am the female person of which he speaks.

    nick's version of reality is very different from real reality. he has said to several people that i am such a bummer that i brought down and ruined the webmaster dinner he attended. it appears that nick is unaware that i am the person who has set up nearly all the webmaster lunches in l.a., and if people couldn't stand to be around me, they wouldn't have been at the one he attended since they would have already known what a bummer i was.

    most people considered it the most successful l.a. webmaster event up to that time, judging by the large number of people who wanted to do it again and the huge amount of positive feedback around afterward from virtually everyone but nick and the epoch people, who i don't know well. i've had dinner or lunch with a bunch of the people who were there afterward, so while i was offended at nick's rudeness in talking about me, i wasn't particularly concerned.


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    But yet you and Patti continue to tell the gay webmastering community that I am wrong about everything. Please stop campaigning your egos at my expense. You guys even banned me from gaydemon because I'm not of your party, not in your clique.

    What does that tell every other gay webmaster quivering in their boots that if they don't kiss someone's ass, they're next?? What kind of community does that build, when you promote an "us vs them" scene, a "my way or the Hiway" protocol?

    That you two politic like McCain and Palin by revealing all of the votes you've counted cast for yourselves? How shameless that you two politic and jockey for power by denigrating me to others, then pronounce yourself the WINNER! Of what?

    I'm not wrong, if everyone else is not always wrong...

    This statement is totally uncalled for: "But then again, judging from the posts I've seen, courtesy and humility has never been one of your strong traits."

    So what's wrong with showing some respect in this direction?

    There's some great people here. I'd be pleased to have more in my address book, in addition to HDKBill. In his professionalism, he has never uttered an unkind word.

    My number is 818-726-6025 please call sometime. It is a cell so no spam calls without e-mail first... senseless hate calls because I don't do bareback would NOT be cool. A text first to identify yourself would be best. AT+T is my carrier for free M2M calls, and nights and weekends are free as well.

    See ya then!

    Quote Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip View Post
    A lot of things get lost over electronic communication, so I suppose it's possible that you simply aren't aware that your commentary does sometimes come off as condescending and rude (and this isn't my opinion, but the opinion of quite a few people, actually...). I don't mean that as an insult or personal attack, but just as an observation. Sometimes how we come across electronically and how we actually feel are completely different.

    I freely admit that my comments can sometimes be snarky, and (not speaking about you or your posts in this case), if a commenter says something that I consider to be completely stupid or inane, or, for example, a poster constantly solicits advice but then tells those who offer it that they're wrong (again, not talking about you), then I *will* call them on it. But for whatever reason, my posts seem to be perceived differently (at least by those from whom I've had feedback) than yours, and I don't think the majority of people share your viewpoint.

    I also know of both the "personal public experience" (sic) with the female person you're speaking of, as well as the background surrounding it. I also know said person quite well, having worked with her professionally in several capacities, and feel qualified to say that, while you're certainly entitled to your perceptions and opinions, the overwhelming majority of people in the industry who have had the opportunity to talk to or work with this person simply don't share your viewpoint; in fact, she is generally considered one of the most knowledgeable and helpful people who is incredibly generous with her time and information, and many webmasters have been able to grow their businesses significantly in large part due to her knowledge and assistance.

    I also take issue with the notion that there's no value in stating disagreement on a public forum; more than once, I've changed my own opinion on something after reading contrasting viewpoints from others, and I think that all of us can benefit from spirited debate, as long as it's respectful.

    As I've said before, I'm sorry that you feel that my comments in response to your posts are "attacks", since they are not intended that way, nor are they perceived that way by any of those from whom I've received feedback.

    All I'm suggesting is that we use the communities such as GWW and Gaydemon.biz as an opportunity to share and learn from one another, rather than an opportunity to tell others they are wrong, or why we know better, or how much better our way is than someone else's. Each of us has things to contribute, and if we do so with an open mind and with the intent of helping each other, then we all benefit.


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    I'm not sure that that is a real issue. I know I never called you when the board was down to express my support, but as I wrote a couple of days ago here, "I DON'T HAVE YOUR NUMBER"... or off-line e-mail address.

    i tried to be somewhat humorous about that by saying "since I'm younger than HDKBill," in the sense that I guess I'm not part of the original core clique here. I like referencing HDKBill, because we like it when he turns another month older!

    I actually made a comment here that there is another pace that is "awful"... hopefully that wasn't misconstrued, "another" being misconstrued for "here".

    Hopefully you don't have me too mixed up with someone else who was fond of representing me, my name, my studio, and riling up people here, until he went away.

    That would be a more fruitful conversation to continue from days before GWW went on the one month hiatus.




    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I dont know but for someone who 'never liked the place' Nick seems to have a knack of posting here and riling our community members up.

    Perhaps a better idea for Nick rather than taking time to annoy and bitch at people here, if he doesnt like the place so much would be to simply quite posting, i mean heck, its such a dry-drunk place in his mind anyway, wont be any loss to his business $0.02

    Regards,

    Lee


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    OK, now that we've gotten completely off topic with 4 or 5 posts defending something that matters to no one except Nick, may I suggest that perhaps this thread gets back to it's actual topic, which is to ask Lee any questions anyone wishes...


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    :donmike: nice to see the board back
    and most of all that you and gary are allright


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    Nice to see the board is back in action.

    Yah, all them blah blah posts, about GWW, on other boards were making me ill to my tummy.

    Best part of it all is your proving them (the bunky thread posters) wrong!
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    Dear Lee --

    Sorry for your travails, but glad to see you and the board back online. You both were definitely missed!
    "Wake up, Norma, you'd be killing yourself to an empty room!"


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    I'm glad to see you guys are okay. There were a lot of speculations and rumors but a sudden disappearance and not info will cause that. My biggest concern was that something had happened to you guys. I'm glad you survived that mess and that you are back and ready to make another go of it. Good luck.
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    Welcome Back!

    Hey Lee -

    So glad that you are okay and back...although sounding a little bruised by the experience.
    This board and your perspective are a needed voice in the community.
    Missed having you around!

    Big hugs to Gary, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccjax View Post
    Hey Lee -

    So glad that you are okay and back...although sounding a little bruised by the experience.
    This board and your perspective are a needed voice in the community.
    Missed having you around!

    Big hugs to Gary, too.
    Thanks Babe

    Now that we're out of all the crap im actually going to send you that email you asked for a month or so back too

    Regards,

    Lee


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Thanks Babe

    Now that we're out of all the crap im actually going to send you that email you asked for a month or so back too

    Regards,

    Lee
    Perfect - the timing is right...
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    Lee,

    No questions here, but I just wanted to let you know that I am glad you are back. This was the first community I joined, and it has always had a special place in my heart...as cheesy as that might sound.

    Sounds like you went through a rough patch, which totally sucks, but glad that you were able to find your way through it.

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    Lee, thanks for sharing your story and that glad to hear you and Gary are moving forward!
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