Are Tube Sites Killing The Porn Industry?

[Lee]

Didnt MaleFlixxx and a couple of other companies try setting something like that up a year or so back though Keith?

It never got anywhere because nobody was interested in helping with the organization, i beleive it lasted for about a month.

Regards,

Lee

[gaybucks_chip]

I remember there was a nonprofit group that was anti-piracy and the former publisher of Freshmen Mag/Specialty Publications was the exec director for the first couple of months.

I haven't heard much about the organization since and I don't remember the name of it. Was that the one, or was there another one?

[Lee]

I remember there was a nonprofit group that was anti-piracy and the former publisher of Freshmen Mag/Specialty Publications was the exec director for the first couple of months.

I haven't heard much about the organization since and I don't remember the name of it. Was that the one, or was there another one?

Thats the one, was something setup with Caryn (?) from Specialty and Sureflixxx, basically, there was a press release one day, and that was it, nothing else was ever heard about the group.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

An update on Alexa ratings for porn tube sites, torrents and file sharing sites:

10. RapidShare (FYI Microsoft is #11)

21. Youporn.com

29. Dailymotion

30. Redtube.com

32. Mininova

40. Yourfilehost.com

52. MediaFire

59. The Pirate Bay

62. Depositfiles.com

65. Zshare.net

67. 4shared

71. Isohunt.com

79. Easy Share

80. Pornhub.com

81. Megaupload

91. Torrentz.com

95. FileFactory.com

17% of the top 100 most visited sites, according to Alexa, are sites where stolen porn files are traded for free, or posted and people pay a minimum fee for all the stolen porn they like.

[nickbaer]

From the perspective of a one-man shop: I offer that perhaps instead of a committee sending a press release, rather a group pool some funds together and hire a paralegal and get some action going with Yahoo Groups where so much promotion is occurring, the pirate sites themselves, and the server farms that they host on, and whoever processes the fees from their consumers...

The VOD providers who have the most to loose, plus a few big studios, should have enough bucks to get 1-2 people sending e-mails and certified letters to all the parties involved.

Like a year ago when AEBN took the 2257 bull by the horns and put in a legal staff to review and approve docs on all of our titles, sure took a ton of weight off of our shoulders... the next step will be a small paralegal/legal staff to light a fire under the pirates and friends.

[nickbaer]

Following up on the great post by Titanmen:

I think that instead of getting 10 top VODs and Studios to commit to ante-ing in some "per cents", and everyone brags how huge their revenue is until its time to do their taxes, perhaps someone like Titan, who has the top experience factor in dealing with pirates, could set a budget and agenda for an office of 1-2 paralegal types, then ask for a voluntary contribution (share) in a whole number to fund it.

Say a hungry law student or paralegal in SFO would work for $50,000 plus office on a one-year contract... 5 VODs and 15 Studios would put in $5,000 - $7,000 ea. Fixed number of dollars, for a fixed number of months, for a first try to attack the problem.

Get the SFO studios, plus what's left of LA, and hottie Michael Lucas, then AEBN/NS, SufeFlixxx, HotMovies, Yappo, XTube.

[nickbaer]

I checked the Alexa rankings of three of those VOD providers. (For me the top 3 VOD providers).

Interesting how all three have had Alexa declines in traffic in the past 3 months. And then to compare the downturn in traffic to my (as a studio) monthly revenue history.

While all three went down in traffic, on one my revenue went down, one my revenue stayed the same, and one my revenue went up dramatically.

[basschick]

when sites posting the backdoors to paysites and avs sites first appeared, everyone said "they're killing the industry!"

then when pic posts started giving free daily pics, lots of webmasters said they were killing the industry. when tgps appeared, webmasters got more vocal about how they were destroying the industry.

it's been over ten years that people have been telling me that free content sources were destroying the industry but i notice it isn't destroyed yet. sure, it totally 100% sucks that so many tube sites are making a living through theft, but even so lots of people i know are making many sales. i think we'll have to adapt, but i don't think anything is killing the industry.

[gaybucks_chip]

Following up on the great post by Titanmen:

I think that instead of getting 10 top VODs and Studios to commit to ante-ing in some "per cents", and everyone brags how huge their revenue is until its time to do their taxes, perhaps someone like Titan, who has the top experience factor in dealing with pirates, could set a budget and agenda for an office of 1-2 paralegal types, then ask for a voluntary contribution (share) in a whole number to fund it.

Already being worked on. I posted about it a few weeks ago at Gaydemon. I hope there will be more info in a month or so.

[Titanmen]

I remember there was a nonprofit group that was anti-piracy and the former publisher of Freshmen Mag/Specialty Publications was the exec director for the first couple of months.

I haven't heard much about the organization since and I don't remember the name of it. Was that the one, or was there another one?

It was called GAPA and it was a very generous attempt by MaleFlixxx to try and do something. The problem was they decided to try and teach each company how to do anti-piracy themselves instead of acting as the lead organization.

Trust me, I've been to this rodeo before.....ain't nothing going to happen if it's left to individual studios to try and handle piracy. Until the industry bands together into something like the MPAA, nothing major will get accomplished.

And, I'm really sorry guys but it's not something we/I can handle or take the lead on. We are too small of a company to devote the time and energy needed to make it successful. The VOD vendors are 10 times our size and have the resources and staff to handle this...we don't.

[Titanmen]

Following up on the great post by Titanmen:

I think that instead of getting 10 top VODs and Studios to commit to ante-ing in some "per cents", and everyone brags how huge their revenue is until its time to do their taxes, perhaps someone like Titan, who has the top experience factor in dealing with pirates, could set a budget and agenda for an office of 1-2 paralegal types, then ask for a voluntary contribution (share) in a whole number to fund it.

Say a hungry law student or paralegal in SFO would work for $50,000 plus office on a one-year contract... 5 VODs and 15 Studios would put in $5,000 - $7,000 ea. Fixed number of dollars, for a fixed number of months, for a first try to attack the problem.

Get the SFO studios, plus what's left of LA, and hottie Michael Lucas, then AEBN/NS, SufeFlixxx, HotMovies, Yappo, XTube.

See my posting above. We (Titan) simply cannot afford the time and energy needed to make something like this successful. We are too small of a company and do not have the resources. The 3 VOD companies you mention have the resources to make this happen and they get hurt the most from online piracy. They need to be the leaders in this, not the individual studios.

As we have told them all....we would be happy to help plan and set-up the organization and develop strategy. But in the end, it's got to be the big guys that take this by the horns and make it happen.

If you are a producer whose content is distributed on any of these VOD network...speak up! Tell them you want them to be more active in protecting online content and that you are willing to contribute. You are the ones that are going to make this happen. It's got to come from the ground up, not the top down.

[nickbaer]

Nonetheless, it can't be overstated the valuable effort Titan has demonstrated in its own effort to deal with pirates.

[Titanmen]

Nonetheless, it can't be overstated the valuable effort Titan has demonstrated in its own effort to deal with pirates.

Thank-you very much, your acknowledgement is appreciated!

[Fister]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I love putting embedded sponsor tube clips on my porn blogs.

[FierceDog]

See my posting above. We (Titan) simply cannot afford the time and energy needed to make something like this successful. We are too small of a company and do not have the resources. The 3 VOD companies you mention have the resources to make this happen and they get hurt the most from online piracy. They need to be the leaders in this, not the individual studios.

As we have told them all....we would be happy to help plan and set-up the organization and develop strategy. But in the end, it's got to be the big guys that take this by the horns and make it happen.

If you are a producer whose content is distributed on any of these VOD network...speak up! Tell them you want them to be more active in protecting online content and that you are willing to contribute. You are the ones that are going to make this happen. It's got to come from the ground up, not the top down.

I just spoke up and sent out emails to three of my VOD companies we work with! We are in partnership with them, they need to take the lead. It will protect all of our business interests. Without us they have nothing to publish and without them I am not able to fully exploit my contents profit potential. The web is their battle ground. They need to take the lead with our (The Producers) support.