Why is CCBill processing for a pirate site?

[usasgb]

I don't think any webmaster can be every where, all day, every day. Secondly it's hard to reason with a person who uses obscene language to express his or her thought.

I know you're concerned, but still very much misinformed and obviously lacking manners and education for anyone to take you seriously.

Lastly, I have never seen nor read any subtle hints condoning pirating videos for donations on bigdickclub.us or any other site. I speak for every member as well as myself when I say we don't need a moderator to police videos when the administrator should just delete the member(s) in question.

Again, I reiterate it's Gaywatch.com, Lifeout.com, and Gayforit.com that is the source of 99% of the pirated videos. Take some time to both clean your mouth out and surf these sites! Laziness is not an excuse for ignorance.

P.S. What is a "spash page"?

[DonMike]

I don't think any webmaster can be every where, all day, every day. Secondly it's hard to reason with a person who uses obscene language to express his or her thought.

I know you're concerned, but still very much misinformed and obviously lacking manners and education for anyone to take you seriously.

Lastly, I have never seen nor read any subtle hints condoning pirating videos for donations on bigdickclub.us or any other site. I speak for every member as well as myself when I say we don't need a moderator to police videos when the administrator should just delete the member(s) in question.

Again, I reiterate it's Gaywatch.com, Lifeout.com, and Gayforit.com that is the source of 99% of the pirated videos. Take some time to both clean your mouth out and surf these sites! Laziness is not an excuse for ignorance.

P.S. What is a "spash page"?

Well, I guess I've been told. My apologies at using the word "bullshit" if it offends you. However, being that we work in the adult industry I'm afraid you're going to encounter a lot worse than that around here.

I'm not saying that Gaywatch, Lifeout or Gayforit are innocent by any means, but it's pretty much the same thing for you to upload a pirated video yourself or take an already pirated video and place it on another site. It's still our video. If you didn't produce the video, don't post it anywhere. And by "you" I don't mean to insinuate that you yourself did this posting, I mean it in general terms. In case I need to spell that out for you being that I'm uneducated and misinformed.

And lastly, if these guys are so concerned with piracy and not wanting to steal from the pockets of the adult industry then don't you think a message telling people to not post ANY video that they do not own would have been more appropriate rather than telling them which specific studios to avoid. If you are at a party and see a table full of food and the host tells you to not eat the meatballs wouldn't you then assume everything else was up for grabs?

So tell me, do you think it's okay for a website to make money off of posting videos that they did not produce themselves or license for use?

[usasgb]

Don good point, I was playing the devil's advocate. No I do not approve of stealing licensed content.

However, if bigdickclub.us has or had tons of porn than lifeout, gaywatch, and gayforit has mega tons of porn. I have and still see your videos on two of those sites listed above i.e. gaywatch/gayforit.

Did you or anyone else send DMCA take down notices to these well established sites? If so, how are they able to provide the food for the rest who are hungry for porn, and not for grandma's meatballs? It is these people who perhaps by proxy think it's okay to take videos from a well established site and post on a 2nd or 3rd tier site. Yes, they are naive but yet conditioned by the standards and actions or lack there of to allow pirated videos in the first place.

As for my involvement in the porn industry, I'm a PHP Programmer and Designer as well as a webmaster (socialparody.com)*

*Beta Launch March 30th, 2009.

[usasgb]

I have a follow up question as well. I try to read between the lines as the message isn't always explicit. What I'm sensing and please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you'll intimidated by these well established sites?

If someone were to pirate/copy my programming source code, I too would be angry. Though, this has never happened as of yet. Knock on wood!

Coding is not an easy thing to copy and implement, anyhow, but still a real threat to the industry as well.

Yes, I work closely with bigdickclub.us as I've written a number of widgets. I think adult social networks are a valuable asset to the adult community as people are able to share their own amateur videos with their friends fellow members.

This seems to be the future of the adult porn as you don't need expensive equipment nor cameras to get some decent footage.

[DonMike]

The topic of this post was why a billing company that works with the adult industry would work with a website that is stealing from the adult industry. That matter has been settled and I think CCBill for listening and taking action.

In the conversation about this you brought up a totally different point. It's not that I'm ignoring that point, it's just off topic. All those sites you mentioned are a huge problem to this industry and the appropriate action will be taken. And I'm sure everyone here has the same concern and are also probably in the process of taking action.

It just so happens that big dick club hit the radar and became a topic of conversation.

I'm always fascinated when people who run these sites that benefit from stolen content are called into question and their first line of defense is... look at the other guy, he's stealing more than me... why not go after him first? I mean, does the fact that someone is stealing more than you make your stealing somehow right? Are we somehow acting inappropriately here by not going after the bigger thief first? Should we let the big dick guy get away with his piracy while we spend whatever time and energy it takes to bring down the bigger piracy sites?

Honestly, when this first started and he was contacted, had he sent a message to his members simply stating that any copyrighted content would be removed and the posting member's profile be suspended an/or deleted, then I wouldn't have given it another thought. It was because he specified which studios that he did not want posted that set off my alarms.

[usasgb]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anywhere stating it's okay or not okayto upload pirated content.

Again, I support the industry as a whole to stop piracy. I magnanimously support what you'll are doing. Intellectual property is sacred.

However, I will state again it's the industry as a whole have conditioned these pirates to continue their pirating.

To say he stole more or less isn't a justification for piracy. As mentioned in the first reply, there are haters out there. These same haters can and have uploaded pirated materially then report it only to see the site receive a DMCA take down notices.

Where's the legal justification in that? Webmasters as I know can not be everywhere, everyday, all day!

Lastly, it is a well know practice for the DEA to go after the suppliers and not the users. Hence, cut out the major suppliers of porn piracy and you'll most likely find the end users out of porn. Hence out of site, out of mind!

[maxx68]

I have a follow up question as well. I try to read between the lines as the message isn't always explicit. What I'm sensing and please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you'll intimidated by these well established sites?

What I'm sensing is someone who got tipped-off that folks were talking about his site is nosing around, hmmmm?

[boygloryhole]

What happened DRM? Why dont anybody use that technology anymore?

[Lee]

Lastly, I have never seen nor read any subtle hints condoning pirating videos for donations on bigdickclub.us or any other site. I speak for every member as well as myself when I say we don't need a moderator to police videos when the administrator should just delete the member(s) in question.

What do you do in the adult industry? Do you actually own a website yourself?

Regards,

Lee