and yet many women and men are turned on by being degraded, even more so when it's done in front of the camera.

there are some things i find stomach-churningly gross, but i don't find them obscene. i am not sure that by my personal definition obscenity exists. i don't feel that my personal tastes should be adopted to define other adults' behaviour. if we didn't have so many religious beliefs of right and wrong, we wouldn't be deeply shocked if we accidentally see an act we wouldn't care to take part in.

honestly i can't see why anything that is legal in private between informed and consenting adults should be deemed obscene or illegal if seen by others.

Quote Originally Posted by DrChango View Post
honestly, the big thing for me is not things like dookie and such, but the line that is crossed when one or more participants are deliberately degraded. BDSM is one thing where you can tell the sub is enjoying the hell out of the situation, but when someone is getting slapped around and the like, I think the act has stopped being erotic and has become obscene.

I big one in straight "gonzo" content is something common to European productions (example: Rocco Siffredi) where the female model is being sodomized doggy style, with her face on the ground (or couch, or whatever) and the male model puts his foot on her face. It strikes me as so damn degrading it's nauseating.

my $.02