http://www.verotel.com are strong and going nowhere and have worked for us for a LONG time on many projects.

They in Amsterdam will disagree with me on this point (and they have many times), but I see the Toickets Clubs and the new changes as methods of dissauding smaller operators from using them - they don't want the grief IMHO.

And people (especially those in North America) generally seem untrusting of anyone not from that part of the world. There seems to be some stigma associated with their being European based and also from some of their past site billing associations (100% legal where they are mind you) being morally questionable to North Americans.

A few points to note (that people seem all too ready to ignore):

- When things got tight in the US where did ALL the billers run to? EUROPE. And no-one said a thing.

- The background at Verotel is Merchant Banking - they know the business.

- They ONLY process subscription sites, NO products, so they can fully control their systems.

- The Dutch banking system is one of the oldest and strongest in the world, unlike the fragmentation of the US system. Being tighter means better controls means less problems with companies like Visa.

- They have introduced policies BEFORE they were mandated by Visa and the like, so there hasn;t been any knee jerk reactions to the changing environment. Their risk management is very strong in that respect.

- When Globill fell over, who was approved to take you over their Database? Verotel, NOT the others.

Now I am not saying they are the only game in town, nor necessarily the best, CCBill are our main processor for CuriousCash, and we have been personally stung by the iBill debacle like so many of you (but CuriousCash remains unaffected), but I grow weary of so much one-sided and downright ignorant attitudes when it comes to Verotel.

Research does NOT begin and end of adult webmaster boards.

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