Ripping people off with members' areas

[basschick]

although what you say is all too often true, any program with a great member area that retains on average over two months can easily afford to pay out $30 on a $24.95 signup - especially if they have an exit console and a few nice upsells in the member area. i promote several revshare sites where i make $45 - $60 per join.

besides, programs like nastydollars don't pay for the trials if the trial member cancels immediately. i was pleasantly surprised how few DID cancel immediately :-)

Anyone offering payouts that exceed the billing price isn't playing the quality game, but strategizing more along the lines of "we'll shave the webmaster, and jerk the surfer through 10,000,000 exit consoles, cross sells, and have a members area that consists purely of upsells."

I think you can tell a lot about a program just by what their payout price is. More isn't necessarily better. I'd say higher payouts basically translates to "our site sucks, and we need more traffic to throw at it to make it convert, so we're willing to pay you more to get you in the door and send traffic". So higher payouts don't necessarily mean you'll make more money promoting someone. Just means you'll see more webmasters trying to send them traffic, despite being complete shit quality.

:nowords:

[GPallan]

i promote several revshare sites where i make $45 - $60 per join.

$60 per signup? That sounds like an awesome deal. Can you let us know who offers this?

The most that i'm earning on one-time payouts is $35. But my friend recently signed up with Randy Blue and i think he's making $55 per sale.

[basschick]

revshare and per signup are two different models. revshare means that the program and you split the money spent by surfers you send who buy - 50/50 is industry standard, i'd say.

[GPallan]

revshare and per signup are two different models. revshare means that the program and you split the money spent by surfers you send who buy - 50/50 is industry standard, i'd say.

I'm familiar with that concept but i guess when i heard you said $45-60 per join, i assumed that you meant per signup. So did you actually mean $45-60 per join over an extended period of time, with the recurring billing? If that's what you were talking about...Wow! i can't believe that you can actually keep track of signups to that degree! That's awesome. Does your affiliate stats provide you with that info? I primarily use CCBill, do you know if i could track such info with their affiliate program?

[dalimili]

In my personal opinion, I never came across a site that would be so god that I'd be wishing to pay for it for ages...

Rarely who actually delivers what they say.... and in fact, when you're horny you'll buy just about anything.... It's like watching porn movies: who the fuck watches them from the beginning to the end? I don't know anyone; one usually watches so long untill ... well you know

I am same with the paysites... actually the only "paysites" that I'm willing to stick around are more or less AEN's or similiar, where you actually get tons of (sometimes very boring and repetative) sites..

I don't know... maybe I'm not a regular Joe Blow.. but I've been member to most of the big sites and I was ALWAYS disappointed....

from Badpuppy, Chisel, Bedfelow, Gaymen, GalaxyMale, FalconStudios to AbsolutelyMale and tons of others... Either they promise things you can hardly locate, they promise way too much, have tons of outside content which you have to pay for, are plain disgustingly ugly, have outdated content, or just think that by having tons of poor plugin videos that you'd be just over your head...

I'm not also sure what a perfect member site should look like... Why not talk about that? Can you think of any site that has a BLOW ME NOW member area? (It needn't be your sponsor

[GPallan]

from Badpuppy, Chisel, Bedfelow, Gaymen, GalaxyMale, FalconStudios to AbsolutelyMale and tons of others... Either they promise things you can hardly locate, they promise way too much, have tons of outside content which you have to pay for, are plain disgustingly ugly, have outdated content, or just think that by having tons of poor plugin videos that you'd be just over your head...

I'm not also sure what a perfect member site should look like... Why not talk about that? Can you think of any site that has a BLOW ME NOW member area? (It needn't be your sponsor

I know what you mean Dalimili. I don't like that general "mega-site" crap either. I find that i prefer amateur sites with exclusive guys with photos and videos...this way you develop a "connection" (ok maybe an "obsession" hehe) with some of the regular guys and that way it's sooo much hotter watching them in sexual acts.

So a site that I finding myself going back to on a regular basis is Seancody.com. It's simple and straight forward, nice design, you get both videos and pics (even if they are vid caps), their videos are downloadable with a very good quality, and their guys are hot. This is one of the only sites that i can actually say i buy a membership to every so often.

There are a few other sites that i find very hot (straightcollegemen.com, amateurstraightguys.com, corbinfisher.com, bukbuddies.com, jakecruise.com, jerkoffguys.com) but they haven't made me want to signup with them. Well, actually I've signed up with each one of them maybe once in the past, but that's about it.

What do you guys think? is it only my straight-boy fetish, or do you guys also find these sites hot?

[basschick]

ccbill affiliate stats shows the member, and the original date he signed up. so you can very easily track duration of memberships. a very cool tool!

[will76]

I'm familiar with that concept but i guess when i heard you said $45-60 per join, i assumed that you meant per signup. So did you actually mean $45-60 per join over an extended period of time, with the recurring billing? If that's what you were talking about...Wow! i can't believe that you can actually keep track of signups to that degree! That's awesome. Does your affiliate stats provide you with that info? I primarily use CCBill, do you know if i could track such info with their affiliate program?

I guess this thread really doesn't apply to afiliate program i advertise for. I am selling a FREE membership so can't really rip off someone if it is free. Not to mention that they give you a ton of content for your free membership so their shouldnt be any complaints.

They pay $40 - $80 a FREE signup w/credit card. so you can make really good money with them. The site does consist of upsells (pay per minute on cam) BUT you also get access to thousands of hours of videos and countless #'s of pics, so that alone is better then most pay sites.

I know what you guys are saying though, I have advertised membership sites in the past and have owned a few. The big sponsors who pay a lot per a paid join are only making money from a massive amounts of volume. I know a lot of surfers are getting more and more leary of joining membership sites, especially ones with high fees because of poor quality members area and having to spend hours fighting the charge to get their money back.

[basschick]

some free programs shave. some bill the members when/if they use the member services. some free programs bill after 12 or 24 hours.

as far as how free programs can treat their members poorly, they can cover them with popups if they don't join, and drown them in popups if they DO join. they can install dialers that the people can't get rid of, or they can install spyware or toolbars or all sorts of things. they can still not actually provide the content promised in the tour.

you know what i REALLY don't understand? when one builds a tour, and it sells, one is in a very good position to know exactly what the members want - they want what is on the tour. why not just give it to them and enjoy the rebills?

[dalimili]

To add....


Purchased membership to malesupersite.com......... $ 4 something for 3 day trial.... you're suppose to get 16 mega sites for the price of one....


so when I got into members area... they had like links to all those sites + links to straight pussy sites, which is just beyond my perception of gay site... why would I even want that pussy sites there??

ok, needless to say is that I got lost in all those text links, totally unorganized site, especially when one knows that it's year 2005 and it's no that hard to get a good design...


Basically all those 16 sites are totally identical... those promises of 10000's of photos end up as some 9 leased photo galleries and most of them are from those reality sites!!! and also among these galleries can be found also pussies (again).... nothing original, nothing new, and absolutely nothing innovative....

a plus to this might be access to those reality sites, which I'm not a fan of at all... but some might be

So either you choose Ebony, Asian or any other niche you end up with same galleries all over again - so on ebony site you get absolutely no black guy galleries, but instead there's plenty of twink galleiries... which I don't quite get why?

ofcourse there are lots of leased videos again, but nothing shocking....

very dissapointed.... and this is from one of the big banenr sponsors on gaywidewebmasters TopBucks...

As a user who's seen better sites I'd immediatly end rebills (which I have), as a webmaster I would promote those reality sites just for the payouts...

TopBucks you've got plenty of $$$$ CASH $$$ invest some in quality content!