Well darn, I was kinda hopin you folks would do a newbie blog trial to prove me wrong

... when I said blogging was a bad place for newbies to start... in this thread.

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ad.php?t=29196

I was hoping it might start a few threads discussing just how newbies might do blogs and not waste their time and whatnot.

I still think it would be a fun experiment, good content for the board, and all that.

I didn't make a lot of sales blogging, but then I'm known for being flighty and a bit adhd, so I probably messed it up somehow.

Maybe my understanding of how the SE's work is flawed?

Well, I'm planning to start a blog for some time, but my expectations are rather low so I'm not spending much time and energy on the project.

I think blogs are overdone because they are so easy to set up (still not easy to build a good one, though) and there are tons of "free" blogs out there. I would see it as some kind of learning experience, but not expecting to become wealthy from blogs.

One thing I have noticed about blogs is the following:

1. The ones that seem to be the most popular are primarily filled with vid clips, which I can't help but wonder how financial rewarding they are. I know I have a couple of favorites and I just download the clips that look interesting and then handle my business.

So I can't see how they would make any money.

I realize that many of the popular ones are getting mucho hits, but how much of that is repeat visitors?

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So I can't see how they would make any money.

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Well, there's only one way to find out.

I notice in your other thread that once again you are advised to blog, (blog network technically) and told to stay away from trying to run a tgp.

So the question is, why are you being given such advice? Is it viable for a new guy, or is it rat poison to wipe out competitors? What's the truth of the matter?

My curiousity is stimulated.

i have tons of friends who make good money on pics-only blogs.

and if the pics are good quality, well presented and the text is fresh, unique and interesting, the blog will develop regular visitors.

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One thing I have noticed about blogs is the following:

1. The ones that seem to be the most popular are primarily filled with vid clips, which I can't help but wonder how financial rewarding they are. I know I have a couple of favorites and I just download the clips that look interesting and then handle my business.

So I can't see how they would make any money.

I realize that many of the popular ones are getting mucho hits, but how much of that is repeat visitors?

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the blog will develop regular visitors.

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From where, do you figure?

How about leading a blog class for we poor benighted souls?

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From where, do you figure?

How about leading a blog class for we poor benighted souls?

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Basschick do a blog class?!?!?! .... this outta be good. :fool:

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Basschick do a blog class?!?!?! .... this outta be good. :fool:

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Yeah, Basschick...Pretty please.:cheerleader:

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...The ones that seem to be the most popular are primarily filled with vid clips, which I can't help but wonder how financial rewarding they are.

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vid clip blogs are very profitable, especially if you use hosted FLV video clips or embed video clips like the ~1000 of these that we offer, and upsell your surfers to join the site for the full video.

i may not know more than the basics about wordpress, but i do work with several blogs as a writer and collage maker, and i do know how to make sales. i know several webmasters who make good sales with their handwritten blogs who don't even use widgets. for that matter, you can use a variety of methods to get traffic to a blog including sending your own 404 traffic, putting the blog on all your link pages in your freesites, avs sites and hubs. for that matter, you can scatter links to the blog on your freesites and avs sites.

on the other hand, there are people who make few or no sales on handwritten blogs with traffic, and their issues have nothing to do with wordpress wideget and setup and everything to do with their pics, what they link, what sponsors they use, the niche/theme of their blog, how they link and their text.

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Basschick do a blog class?!?!?! .... this outta be good. :fool:

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Ok, but you'd given me the impression you were very new to installing blogs. I just got a chuckle from it is all.

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i may not know more than the basics about wordpress, but i do work with several blogs as a writer and collage maker, and i do know how to make sales. i know several webmasters who make good sales with their handwritten blogs who don't even use widgets. for that matter, you can use a variety of methods to get traffic to a blog including sending your own 404 traffic, putting the blog on all your link pages in your freesites, avs sites and hubs. for that matter, you can scatter links to the blog on your freesites and avs sites.

on the other hand, there are people who make few or no sales on handwritten blogs with traffic, and their issues have nothing to do with wordpress wideget and setup and everything to do with their pics, what they link, what sponsors they use, the niche/theme of their blog, how they link and their text.

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... marking up another foot in mouth disease attack on Mercury in Retro .... :rip:

Well, the big question I'm asking is, can a newbie make money with blogs, should blogs be a primary focus, and if so, how should they go about it?

Or is suggesting a newbie do blogs the adult business's equivalent of a snipe hunt?

If blogs are the new freesite, how should a newbie do them?

Blogging is an interesting topic.

I've no idea who has the big store of blog knowledge - maybe it's you, Bec? I just got great empathy for the newbies - it must be confusing as hell. And I'm always interested in learning anything I can manage to learn.

When it comes to selling ... Patti will probably always have more of a clue, and it really doesn't matter what it is you're selling WITH ... be it a blog, tgp website, Link list, freesites, AEN sites, or a combo of all of the above. I was just yanking her chain because she is new to installing the wordpress software, which falls under technical and not under sales skills. :)

If Patti wants to offer a class, I'm all for it, and I will probably chime in now and then.

To answer your question, there really isn't a solid "this is what to do" answer for what/how to sell adult material. It isn't a "build it and they will come" business scenario, no matter what others may tell you. It takes work. You have to stick with one of the merchandising areas and LEARN it. Develop relationships with other webmasters to help with traffic exchanges, link trades, etc -- talk to your reps for promotional ideas and materials. And don't be afraid to do something a little different. Think outside the box.

Don't overlook webmaster services. You can make decent money if you can write well, or design, or video editing, and a slew of other jobs that need doing to have a successful program. And that program can be non-paysite as well as paysite ... both types use extra people to get things done.


Give it a minimum of six - 12 months, and if nothing happens inside a year you're obviously not cut out for this business.

i know first-time bloggers who started making money with their blogs almost immediately. on the other hand, i know people who never make money with them, although i must admit that i can't see how they manage this.

blogs are NOT a snipe hunt. they are an easy way to learn a few things instead of a lot of things. they don't require design skills, they don't require an understanding of page layouts or plenty of other things. there are some people who use blogs as part of their income and some who use blogs for most or all of their income. keep in mind that a person who makes most of their money with a blog spends a lot more time on it than a casual splogger.

step 1 would be to choose a niche or theme.

some successful blogs aren't niche blogs, but they revolve more around the personality of the owner. these are harder to make money with initially as in a way the owner's personality IS the them. they tend to have more gossip, celeb or movie news, etc. a niche or theme is easier to work with.

make it something interesting enough to you that you can write about it at least several times a week, and sound like you know what you're talking about. i have a friend who doesn't know much about twinks, and when he writes about any twink, he uses terms like adorable and cute repeatedly. he probably should have created a blog about a type of guys he knows more about.

the niche you choose should have no less than 7 sites you can promote in that niche that supply enough good content that's also big enough. they'll need to update that content periodically. if you can find 15 sites, even better. make sure that there's enough nudity if it needs nudity and that the pics / vids live up to the niche.

make sure there are some blogs to trade with in that niche or else that you have enough traffic elsewhere to send it. not all trades have to be the niche - sometimes you can get good traffic from a more general blog.

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Yes absolutely!

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should blogs be a primary focus

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you should never focus only one one marketing aspect in this business, you should think of blogs as part of building your empire

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If blogs are the new freesite, how should a newbie do them?

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Like freesites, you start with one, learn and then do a second one, learn more and then do a third one. In no time you will have a good selection of blogs running and if you are any good they will be making you money too.

i would be interested in this too i am going to be starting with some blog stuff soon

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i would be interested in this too i am going to be starting with some blog stuff soon

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well, why not start here http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...2&postcount=15 ?

I just snapped up some niche blog domains myself. Fratboys, Latin, Thug etc.

I know from working at my old SEO co that blogs are greaaaat for search engines. We regularly posted content and were always getting spidered.

One thing I would suggest is if your using feeds from an affiliate co is to do a little bit of re-writing. Google tends to not like seeing the same content over and over so if your copying exactly you could get penalized for dupe content

I have one domain I'm going to do my own little original blog DirtyNick.com which I bought because my friends started calling me that as a nickname

One thing I've seemed to noticed since being in the biz is that Nothing works :) I constantly here oh TGP's don't work, Blogs don't work etc. I was even told once when asking someone that had a good website that there was no money i adult

So I ask myself if blogs dont work and tgp's don't work why are they out there hmm

I say explore all avenues learn what you can from people that have been doing it and good at it, and try and have fun with it.

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...One thing I would suggest is if your using feeds from an affiliate co is to do a little bit of re-writing. Google tends to not like seeing the same content over and over so if your copying exactly you could get penalized for dupe content

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Better yet, get software like Blogs Organizer to automatically do a bit of re-writing the feed for you!

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Well, there's only one way to find out.

I notice in your other thread that once again you are advised to blog, (blog network technically) and told to stay away from trying to run a tgp.

So the question is, why are you being given such advice? Is it viable for a new guy, or is it rat poison to wipe out competitors? What's the truth of the matter?

My curiousity is stimulated.

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As you said yourself, there's only one way to find out if you don't believe in such advise given by webmasters who are more experienced. Setup a TGP and give yourself one month to work on it and create a blog and invest the same amount of time. If you make more money from your TGP after the first month than you do from your blog please hit me up and let me know :)
I doubt I will ever hear from you because doing TGP's has a much steeper learning curve and you need to invest much more money to be successful these days.

So you're a blogger then? How about you giving some lessons? That would be cool.

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One thing I've noted is the misty vagueness of most suggestions about blogging. One reads over and over stuff that is obvious, like splogs from feeds don't work so great because of the google dupe filters, but everybody always seems to be talking about something 'their friend' does, or speaking in other generalities, or making other statements that are right out of bizop like "it all depends on how much you work".

Several things always seem to be missing - like exactly where does the traffic come from, exactly how far down in the long tail are the effective keywords to be placed, and how does a newbie's blog find places in the relatively limited profitable-keyword serps?

And I notice I'm not seeing many trade requests for blogs here or in the other (gay) boards I read - I guess everybody is all linked up long ago?

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By TGP I assume you mean setting up a post and trade script, not gallery posting? People often mix up those too, saying tgp when they mean posting, and also saying tgp when they mean trading.

I sure as fuck wouldn't suggest a newbie set up a post, buy hits and trade them as a first project. Well, there would be one possible good reason to do that, which would be to introduce yourself as a gallery poster (not as a TGP owner) to the various posts - but it's going to be a lossleader for a while.

I dunno how many new folks we actually have here - but maybe in the near future we can run an experiment - and start some blogs from scratch, new names, etc, and mess with them.

Wether any of the blog experts teach or not.

I'll do it, why not. I mostly gave up on blogging before because it wasn't making as much money as what I was doing, but hey, what can we lose, right? It's not like blogging is a big out-of-pocket expense.

I had a bad experience with my registrar and lost my one good blog name - I've restarted the poor thing on an even better name but I was disheartened and haven't been writing for it - I'm waiting for the new name to recover it's page rank.

Then we can taunt everybody into spilling their guts, and see if we can cut thru the vagueness.

I don't exactly know how to reply to the comments where we've said it takes work, and yes, vagueness is a response to I/we don't know you... yet.

I will help you where I can, but I am going to say that my site provides an immense amount of information to someone who has the eyes to look and see what's there. You're handed ways of doing blogs for free and/or for very little money investment. You're told what those of us that have a blog empire are using to manage it, and the other tools we use to make it even bigger.

I won't sit here and tell you what keywords I use to have my blogs and mainstream sites on the front page of Google. That's a small part of what you need to learn and implement as far as SEO goes. But at the same time I and others HAVE said what it takes to get there. Granted, it might mean some digging into older posts to get at the information, but it hasn't been erased :)

One of my recent posts at www.adultblogbuilder.com literally listed places to submit your site to. http://www.adultblogbuilder.com/inde...ry-submitters/

You can also submit to my dynamic directory lists: www.gayxxxblogs.com and www.gayblogfinder.com

For more places: use Luke's directories: www.gaymaleblogs.com, www.findgayblogs.com, www.gaymaledirectory.com, www.gayxxxrated.com and www.studcorner.com

Submit to www.gaydemon.com

Submit to www.rudeboxxx.com

When you find sites similiar in niche to yours, write and ask for a link trade.

Thanks Bec, I've been following your stuff for a while.

I'm writing this to the newbies, not to folks like you, tho, the challenge I'm extending is directed specifically at you and folks like you.

I'm trying to model this the way a new person would - how are they going to parse the advice to do blogs, compared to whatever advice they might be receiving?

The challenge I refer to is to test the thesis - 'can newbies make decent and equivalent money with bogs fresh out of the box?'.

In order to test the thesis, we'd have to get some newbies and get them to do blogs from a dead start, and measure their results and their happiness with the project.

I think it would be great content. A fascinating experiment.

But, without some challenge, it won't happen, because there are strong motivations to be vague. Which is partly why I originally said I thought it was a bit cruel to advise newbies to do blogs. "Proprietary Information" and all that.

Based on my measurements of the reactions to this topic so far, I'm thinking there aren't enough newbies here willing to try the experiment to make this test idea work. But more might show up.

is there some reason you can't do my step one? if you do, i'll go to step two, but you gotta start there.

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Thanks Bec, I've been following your stuff for a while.

I'm writing this to the newbies, not to folks like you, tho, the challenge I'm extending is directed specifically at you and folks like you.

I'm trying to model this the way a new person would - how are they going to parse the advice to do blogs, compared to whatever advice they might be receiving?

The challenge I refer to is to test the thesis - 'can newbies make decent and equivalent money with bogs fresh out of the box?'.

In order to test the thesis, we'd have to get some newbies and get them to do blogs from a dead start, and measure their results and their happiness with the project.

I think it would be great content. A fascinating experiment.

But, without some challenge, it won't happen, because there are strong motivations to be vague. Which is partly why I originally said I thought it was a bit cruel to advise newbies to do blogs. "Proprietary Information" and all that.

Based on my measurements of the reactions to this topic so far, I'm thinking there aren't enough newbies here willing to try the experiment to make this test idea work. But more might show up.

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So you're a blogger then? How about you giving some lessons? That would be cool.

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Sure why not but I'm busy as hell and time is money so if you want 1on1 consulting you will have to pay for it and I doubt that you are willing to invest a couple of hundred dollars, am I right?

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One thing I've noted is the misty vagueness of most suggestions about blogging. One reads over and over stuff that is obvious, like splogs from feeds don't work so great because of the google dupe filters, but everybody always seems to be talking about something 'their friend' does, or speaking in other generalities, or making other statements that are right out of bizop like "it all depends on how much you work".

Several things always seem to be missing - like exactly where does the traffic come from, exactly how far down in the long tail are the effective keywords to be placed, and how does a newbie's blog find places in the relatively limited profitable-keyword serps?

And I notice I'm not seeing many trade requests for blogs here or in the other (gay) boards I read - I guess everybody is all linked up long ago?

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You can't expect all experienced guys to reveal everything from A to Z in such a thread, you will still have to do some research and learn some stuff yourself. I really don't like when newbies are that demanding and and think that all webmasters who actually make money will educate their own competition without getting anything back. It took me years to learn what I know today and I had to learn a lot of stuff the hard way and I invested days and weeks of reading, trying, failing, reading again and so on!
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By TGP I assume you mean setting up a post and trade script, not gallery posting? People often mix up those too, saying tgp when they mean posting, and also saying tgp when they mean trading.

I sure as fuck wouldn't suggest a newbie set up a post, buy hits and trade them as a first project. Well, there would be one possible good reason to do that, which would be to introduce yourself as a gallery poster (not as a TGP owner) to the various posts - but it's going to be a lossleader for a while.

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I'm a TGP owner as you can see if you check my sites and I haven't noticed any webmasters mixing up gallery submissions and operating TGP's if that's what you're referring to.

You folks don't seem to be getting my backstory.

I already have blogs. Only two gay blogs, and I'd be the first to admit I'm a terrible blogger, because I made more money doing other things.

And my fave gay blog's name dropped, because of an unpleasant problem with my registrar - long story, to make it short I switched from paying my registrar a yearly check to paying by CC, and in the process of making the switch they munged up my account. I lost the name.

This is the blog I'm referring too - on it's new name- sad lonely and except for a bit of recent work it's been ignored. I'm revamping it a bit while I wait for it's pr to recover. http://gaymansxxx.com/

This is a new theme, tho the old theme was black too.

I can install wordpress in a snap, read blogging articles regularly, there's not a SINGLE thing you've said that I didn't already know, in spades.

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Geez, haven't you figured out I'M NOT A NEWBIE.

I just want to see if a newbie can do blogs instead of freesites and make equivalent money. I doubt they can. I doubt the advice that that's what they should do.

And I thought it would be an interesting experiment to see done.

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Sure why not but I'm busy as hell and time is money so if you want 1on1 consulting you will have to pay for it and I doubt that you are willing to invest a couple of hundred dollars, am I right?

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Sure why not - if that moves the experiment forward. I'll pay you $200 epass to join in the experiment, (half now, half after each newbie is running a blog), to make a blog from scratch like a newbie would have to, with us, and dispense your knowledge here openly to Maxx and Rich and me and hopefully another newbie or two if we can scrape them up.

I've studied your blogs - I'll pay to hear exactly how they do, where the traffic comes from, and how they work.

Understand - this is the parameter of the experiment - "can a newbie do blogging from a dead start and make equivalent money to doing freesites?".

I just bought a new name for a blog - now all we have to do is get some newbies to invest some money in fresh names and whatever else they need for their part in the experiment.

New guys - you reading this? You ready to try the experiment? Ready to start blogging for dollars?

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This is the blog I'm referring too - on it's new name- sad lonely and except for a bit of recent work it's been ignored. I'm revamping it a bit while I wait for it's pr to recover. http://gaymansxxx.com/

This is a new theme, tho the old theme was black too.

I can install wordpress in a snap, read blogging articles regularly, there's not a SINGLE thing you've said that I didn't already know, in spades.

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Geez, haven't you figured out I'M NOT A NEWBIE.

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Ok non newbie Bill ... Delete the about page if you aren't actually going to put text on it. Fix the link code on the Twink page. Find a pridemov banner that actually fits inside your content area instead of one that is too big and breaks your template layout. Might even add on some text links to fhg's.

I'm not seeing anything that resembles a directory submission recip link. Those can funnel a lot of traffic to you.

Add a meta tag for the keywords, and another for the description in your header.php

Adding www.rtalabel.org code up there would be a nice gesture to keep kids off it where parents have made an effort to install porn blocking software.

Lot of wasted sidebar there - prime real estate for banners /cam feeds/more hot porn upsell links.

Setup an xml google sitemap plugin http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/.../installation/ at the bare minimum and add the link to your robot.txt and your meta tag area on the sidebar. Doing a DagonDesign sitemap http://www.dagondesign.com/articles/...for-wordpress/ is a nice feature for your surfers.

That's just on a driveby evaluation ... :) :sunny:

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That's just on a driveby evaluation ... :) :sunny:

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But he should be doing TGP's, right?

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I just want to see if a newbie can do blogs instead of freesites and make equivalent money. I doubt they can. I doubt the advice that that's what they should do.

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It depends on the time window. Blogs will pay off in the long run as it takes some months to built good amounts of SE traffic if done right. Freesites already get (indirect) SE traffic from the very first day because you're getting traffic from directories where you submit them to and they get a good share of their traffic from SE's.

So it all depends on your skills and goals. Doing some free sites is easier than doing some blogs (if done right in terms of SEO).

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Sure why not - if that moves the experiment forward. I'll pay you $200 epass to join in the experiment, (half now, half after each newbie is running a blog), to make a blog from scratch like a newbie would have to, with us, and dispense your knowledge here openly to Maxx and Rich and me and hopefully another newbie or two if we can scrape them up.

I've studied your blogs - I'll pay to hear exactly how they do, where the traffic comes from, and how they work.

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Sorry I'm not interested for just 200$. This will take longer than just about 2 hours and you would have to raise your budget a bit on that. If you want something like "setting up a project from A-Z" ecpect it to take at least 5 times the time and money.

quick off topic question... what script you using here
http://www.tube4gays.com ??

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quick off topic question... what script you using here
http://www.tube4gays.com ??

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http://smart-scripts.com/?action=smarttext this one but it's pretty hard to handle.

I need more hard scripts like a hole in the head ... :crazyeyes:

dude, i know people who made sales with their blogs the first few days. tender on adx is one of them.

and most newbies don't make sales with their first avs sites, free sites or galleries because they don't understand the marketing involved.

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It depends on the time window. Blogs will pay off in the long run as it takes some months to built good amounts of SE traffic if done right. Freesites already get (indirect) SE traffic from the very first day because you're getting traffic from directories where you submit them to and they get a good share of their traffic from SE's.

So it all depends on your skills and goals. Doing some free sites is easier than doing some blogs (if done right in terms of SEO).



Sorry I'm not interested for just 200$. This will take longer than just about 2 hours and you would have to raise your budget a bit on that. If you want something like "setting up a project from A-Z" ecpect it to take at least 5 times the time and money.

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dude, i know people who made sales with their blogs the first few days. tender on adx is one of them.

and most newbies don't make sales with their first avs sites, free sites or galleries because they don't understand the marketing involved.

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Well actually newbies rarely make money with any type of site from day one but I believe that there are some (like the guy you mentioned) who did. But that's not the majority for sure.
Usually it takes some time and in my opinion it's easier to make a quicker buck with freesites or galleries than with a blog which usually targets SE traffic.

If I as anewbie would copy and study some freesite layouts, change the text and colors slightly and use some other pics of the same sponsor and then would submit them to the very same directories it would be possible to make some sales from a few k of traffic coming within a week or so. A new blog usually needs some more time to get listed in the SERP's allthough it will be able to get directory traffic as well.

That's just the way I experienced it :)

first off, in 1024 part of each blog title is cut off.

second, you have the "Hello world! Welcome to WordPress. " wordpress default blog in the middle of your page.

third, you have no breathing room above or below your text, and you don't have the title of the site linked within each post.

fourth, you're not using collages with a good amount of text under the collage - you're using pics. use 3 to 12 pics per collage, show some action. give the surfers a taste of what your sponsors have to offer.

fifth, you're not showing dick. why would a horny man want to come back to a site that doesn't show cock? and what would trigger him to click?

you have a non niche blog, but you're trading with 3 arab/turkish blogs and a bear blog. since you have no arabic/turkish or hairy men on your page, this traffic isn't going to love what you offer. jasun's a great guy, but his blog doesn't seem like it would send you useful traffic, either.

don't quote your sponsors - write 50 to 150 words of relevant text per blog, and be sure to use the keywords for each post.

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You folks don't seem to be getting my backstory.

I already have blogs. Only two gay blogs, and I'd be the first to admit I'm a terrible blogger, because I made more money doing other things.

And my fave gay blog's name dropped, because of an unpleasant problem with my registrar - long story, to make it short I switched from paying my registrar a yearly check to paying by CC, and in the process of making the switch they munged up my account. I lost the name.

This is the blog I'm referring too - on it's new name- sad lonely and except for a bit of recent work it's been ignored. I'm revamping it a bit while I wait for it's pr to recover. http://gaymansxxx.com/

This is a new theme, tho the old theme was black too.

I can install wordpress in a snap, read blogging articles regularly, there's not a SINGLE thing you've said that I didn't already know, in spades.

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Geez, haven't you figured out I'M NOT A NEWBIE.

I just want to see if a newbie can do blogs instead of freesites and make equivalent money. I doubt they can. I doubt the advice that that's what they should do.

And I thought it would be an interesting experiment to see done.

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Having read this very interesting thread for a couple of days now, I've decided to finally give my first blog a start. I'm still trying to figure out how to get started exactly, but there have been already some useful hints and tips, so I just need to sort them in my mind. I think I already own some good names for blogs which I could use (or at least one of it for a start), so the first step is done. :)

Well, you have a domain, and I assume hosting ... you just need to get your script installed and jump in. Depending on who you host with, they may even install the script for you if you're setting up Wordpress.

Get stuck - ask ... or check you tube and search for wordpress install videos, they are abundant.