Controversial Topic: Young Looking Models

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Originally Posted by IdolKnights

If a model is 25 and looks 15,the model "SHOULD" have some form of legal right to work. No dictation or discrimination to the job type.

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Sorry, I don't think your argument holds any water because this is one of the few businesses on the planet where it's okay to discriminate. If I think a model is ugly, I'm not hiring them. If I run a bear site and a model isn't heavy enough, hairy enough, or old enough, I wouldn't hire him. If I were running a straight, white guys jacking off site and a black guy showed up, I wouldn't hire him. If I own iloveblondeguys.com and a red-head shows up ...

So if a model is 24 and he looks 15, he might have the right to work, but I don't have to hire him. And so far, there seems to be fuck all he can do about it. Although in the sue-happy United States I'm really surprised some fat chick hasn't sued Cosmo yet because they wouldn't put her on the cover.

And by the same token, Hollywood gets away with this kind of discrimination all of the time. That's why we don't see Roseanne playing Scarlett O'Hara, and there doesn't seem to be a problem saying, "Sorry, Roseanne you're too fat for the part."

If a model looks underage, you shouldn't be able to force me to put my business at jeopardy to protect some guy's rights. I'm not going to risk spending thousands to protect myself just so some guy who looks like a kid can work. Go find another job until you look old enough to suck cock.

Michael

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

So if a model is 24 and he looks 15, he might have the right to work, but I don't have to hire him.

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BINGO! Nothing more, Nothing less.

..."if it looks underage , moves underage , talks underage...then it must be underage"...

if i have to guess the legality of a model , then their too young , it doesn't matter if their legal , it's not their I.D you'll be looking at :(
i do not support hiring underage as well as underage-looking models , i find it in the poorest of artistic taste and in most parts of the "known-world" it's illegal.

sincerely ~ ..."my fellow judges , when it comes time for me to step down let it be knowing my work was "sexy" and not "sick!"... - judge dredd :fool:

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Originally Posted by CorbinFisher_BD

You have twink sites and sell twink content. Accept greater scrutiny as something that just comes along with selling that kind of product, keep your shit in order, follow the rules, and merrily move along making yourself money.

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I agree with Brian on this. Scrutiny comes with the territory if you're operating in the twink environment, but if you have the docs to show you're legal then do your thing and feel safe about it. Having said that, though, I would avoid teasing the surfer with models who look like jailbait. That's asking for trouble. Keep them inside the site. That's my $0.02 worth.

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

Sorry, I don't think your argument holds any water because this is one of the few businesses on the planet where it's okay to discriminate.

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Actually, i have to disagree.

There was a case a few years ago with one of the large straight companies (i forget which one LOL) which ended up going to court and the company lost, because they refused to hire someone who was female (and overweight).

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If I think a model is ugly, I'm not hiring them. If I run a bear site and a model isn't heavy enough, hairy enough, or old enough, I wouldn't hire him. If I were running a straight, white guys jacking off site and a black guy showed up, I wouldn't hire him. If I own iloveblondeguys.com and a red-head shows up

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That in itself isnt discrimination though, its no more descrimination than if i were to go to a car dealership looking for a BMW and the guy told me he only had Fords, i wouldnt buy a car there because it wasnt what i was looking for.

With recent regulatory statutes in California specifically this is one area of the business that could become very tricky, very soon, especially if models must be classified as 'employees' because of health and safety regulations.

What happens when one model decides he wants to do a shoot for a site, using one of your examples, that is is targeted to blonde guys, but he is refused the 'job' because he is a redhead... That is discrimination and he'd have a solid case and more than likely win it, if it ever went to court.

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So if a model is 24 and he looks 15, he might have the right to work, but I don't have to hire him. And so far, there seems to be fuck all he can do about it.

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Again, that would probably fall under (In the US) age descrimination laws, not hiring someone because they look younger than they actually are.

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Although in the sue-happy United States I'm really surprised some fat chick hasn't sued Cosmo yet because they wouldn't put her on the cover.

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See above LOL

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If a model looks underage, you shouldn't be able to force me to put my business at jeopardy to protect some guy's rights. I'm not going to risk spending thousands to protect myself just so some guy who looks like a kid can work. Go find another job until you look old enough to suck cock.

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Therein lays the problem, there are companies on the straight side of things ACTIVELY looking for models who are 18+ but look younger, and shooting them.

Basically, if a model is refused work because of how young/old they look, as you said, in sue-happy America, they'd more than likely win the case if it ever went to court :(

Regards,

Lee

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Btw, Right-to-work laws are state laws and have nothing to do with people's actual rights. They are union busting laws endorsed by the GOP... nothing more.

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Actually, the right to work, is a basic human right afforded by the United Nations (Of which the US is a member) sometime in the early 50's i think it was.

Mind you, it also says that anyone of legal age has the right to marry and have a family too LOL

Regards,

Lee

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Originally Posted by Lee

Actually, the right to work, is a basic human right afforded by the United Nations (Of which the US is a member) sometime in the early 50's i think it was.

Mind you, it also says that anyone of legal age has the right to marry and have a family too LOL

Regards,

Lee

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Like anything associated with the U.N. means anything in Bush's Amerika. :innocent:

I think it's all a crock. The world has gone mad.

If you're not a bear, fuck off, and don't apply for a job at my site. I wouldn't apply for a job in a hip hop store and I wouldn't be offended if I was told I was too white. I also wouldn't be offended if someone said I was too old and fat to be a twink -- I AM! People need to get over themselves. This kind of stuff essentially means that people should get whatever they want just because they think so.

I think I'm going to hit GQ tomorrow and see if I can appear on the cover in my Calvin's. I should be able to, why should all the model jobs go to the skinny guys. Bears have rights, too. Christ, get me a razor, it's time to open up a vein. Paris Hilton for President!

Michael

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Originally Posted by Dzinerbear

Christ, get me a razor, it's time to open up a vein.

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Remember, its top to bottom, not left to right ;) LOL

Regards,

Lee

As an American I can tell you that we are conditioned to have our balls cut off at birth. We are one of the most conservative, ignorant, and conditioned to be stupid countries that exists (for now...Rome ring a bell with anyone).

For those whose are science challenged the bible is a book..and nothing more.

Next, youth is sexy for the fact that ALL species have to reproduce in an enviornment that is hostel and you have to have your shit together...thus you have to be young...HENCE...nature...told you that YOUNG is SEXY.

WOW...did some of you just get it?

So stop letting the government tell you what should get your dick hard and grow up.

There I said it.

Lee

If the more stately members on the board do not like your content take it down, oh wait a second do any of these people that bitch about how old guys look while in their declining years promote twink content in the first place? If you keep lessening to them, they will have you running a frat site with-in months. :haha:

I think I will start going around and telling all the bear site owners when I think their models are to harry for me, this way they might create tours that I think are appropriate as well. :flogging:

I think the nature of what we do obviously is of importance here.

Obviously, if your site/business is structured around offereing up a product containing 18-23, thin guys, then 18-23 and thin is a bona fide occupational qualification. It's a defining characteristic of what you offer. I seriously doubt any court would require you to hire someone to model that did not fit within that framework. That bona fide occupational qualification is necessary for your business to stay in business.

We're also creating works of art (yes, believe it or not. lol). Like movies. An 80yo actor can't sue a Hollywood studio because he didn't get the part to play a 20yo. If you create twink movies, you're casting people who fit in to that acting role and project the type of character you're seeking to present.

Now, if it's your company's practice to only hire twinks to handle website programming and DVD shipping, you could run in to some problems if someone wanted to make an issue of it.

Yes, think of those guys who sued "Hooters" when they only wanted girls with big HOOTERS to work there...case in point.

Get real...sure if I "bear" wants me to shoot him I laugh in his face.

Is he surprised..NO

Lee

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I think I will start going around and telling all the bear site owners when I think their models are to harry for me, this way they might create tours that I think are appropriate as well. :flogging:

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That's fair. I took a shot at you.

But I don't make the rules that CC processors follow. And currently, they don't have any problem with hairy men. At least I was directly addressing Sam's question with my comment.