Justice Department appears to be cranking up its obscenity patrol...
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Justice Department appears to be cranking up its obscenity patrol...
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Ah well, shit happens when you push the limits.
Same thing happened to the Sweets in Canada, they kept trying to push the limits of obscenity, that made them a target.
Im not even going to get in to what the MaxHardcore crew were doing in the hot-tubs at the Diplomat a couple of years ago all ill say is the fluid in the hot-tub after a while definately wasnt water :eek:
Regards,
Lee
I know Max. Not extremly well but I do know him.
Personally I can't figure out the appeal to his product but thats not really my concern.
Between complaints of "Freedom of Speach" and conversations about morality, obscenity, etc.
All I can say is that being a pornographer is about 1 thing.
Money!
And you can be a smart pornographer or a dumb one. If you are going to be in the jizz biz you got to understand the nature of the beast.
1. This is not a prestigious career.
2. People can live without your product but they can't live without Hollywood
3. No matter how much money you spend, how good your movie is, how great looking the actors are - No one will camp out all night to be the first in line to buy it.
4. You need law enforcement to "Stir things up" every so often. It keeps our product slightly tabou. And keeps the "johny-come-latelys" out of our industry, who only flood the market with tons of low-end crap that drives everyone's prices down.
5. The best talent will always be either slightly screwy, broke or abnoxious. Regardless of how professional they may appear.
6. 95% of the people directly employed in this industry will have an ego larger than Russel Crowe winning an Oscar.
All things considered equal:
My opinion is the smart pornographer creates his product outside of the United States or country he lives in and mails it into the US. That way you can push the envelope all you want. And you don't have to deal with the most of the above bullshit.
that's their 2nd raid. I guess govt holds to the mantra if you dont succeed try and try again.
crazy stuff, makes you think twice about doing business in the USA.
LOL! So fucking true. God, it makes working in this business hard!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamilton Steele
You can still get your ass in hot water, as many Canadian porn companies recently found out when the initial 2257 revisions were released. The U.S. is now finding ways of policing in other countries. If your product is purchased in America, you can be held liable to American laws...Quote:
My opinion is the smart pornographer creates his product outside of the United States or country he lives in and mails it into the US. That way you can push the envelope all you want. And you don't have to deal with the most of the above bullshit.
1. English Canda is nothing more than mini-america.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
2. I suppose Bush will accuse me of hidding Weapons of Mass Obscenity and call out the 38 battle-something batltalion to invade my home and occupy it in an attempt to end tyranny and kill Al-qeada insurgents.
But you do have a point. It does appear that American laws are now INTERNATIONAL LAWS.
How is this possible? If you sell your product from your office out of another country you cannot be responsible for Americans who purchase and "import" it - thats their responsibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXXWriterDude
cheers,
Luke
Looks like the Feds gave back the servers and his site is back up again. His lawyer appears to have negotiated a deal where the Feds were allowed to mirror his server hard drives and take them with them for investigation. His Lawyer, Jeffrey Douglas says that it could take up to a year to indict him on these charges.
they also siezed 5 videos that were the subject of the investigation and the associated 2257 documents. Even though he is a member of FSC they are allowed to bring 2257 charges when it is relevant to an ongoing investigation....so there appears to be a loophole in the 2257 deal with the FSC.... we won't inspect you ..... unless you are under investigation for obscenity....,
Here's the news link on this update
http://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=m...ticle&sid=9837
Well it took a while but it looks like the Feds have just indicted the guy...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...31071max1.html
Regards,
Lee
Reading through the indictment, it looks like they got him for watersports, fisting and abuse content, which i have always said has been a grey area when it comes to 'obscenity'.
Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
It also looks like Epoch is the processor for these sites, im wondering if their distributor could also be subject to presecution for distributing obscene materials too?
Regards,
Lee
Welcome to the era of boring vanilla porn. And Lee, you reveling in it just makes it that much worse.
I don't see anything wrong with a little pee and fisting amongst consenting adults. What will a companies like Titan do now? Pissing and fisting are very common in their videos and they aren't even considered an 'extreme' porn studio by gay porn standards.
Im not reveling in anything, just stating fact, when others have said i was talking outta my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
So far, every obscenity investigation or indictment over the last 5-6 years relating to 'obscenity' has been related to watersports, fisting and abuse content... Thats a cold hard fact.
Max Hardcore is basically fucked, he sent physical product to an area of the country he shouldnt have, thats why we have lists of friendly/unfriendly zip codes that most reputable companies utilize before sending DVDs out in the mail, especially to a PO Box.
It sucks it had to happen like this but the likelyhood is, Max Hardcore as a company is going to be out of business very soon because of something so simple as not checking a zip code list :(
Incidently, check your ICQ Jim... Your opinion on the content in question may change once you do ;)
Regards,
Lee
witch hunt!
hey.. what is this about? Friendly and unfriendly?Quote:
Max Hardcore is basically fucked, he sent physical product to an area of the country he shouldnt have, thats why we have lists of friendly/unfriendly zip codes that most reputable companies utilize before sending DVDs out in the mail, especially to a PO Box.
but since a lot more "normal" people DO see something wrong with piss content, and the obscenity laws here say community standards are what defines obscenity. that means anytime someone produces shock content, it can be found obscene somewhere.
and btw, this is nothing new. in 1996, lee noga and our lawyer both told us fisting and piss content was very iffy and could be found obscene in some locations - and was much more likely to be investigated and/or prosecuted. and it wasn't new at the time, either. that was the word in porn videos and magazines for at least several years before that.
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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy
SO frustrated right now I don't know where to begin. If the models agreed to be pissed on, the producers paid them accordingly and the buyer new what he wanted and got just that, where's the crime here???
I know I know. Just so fucking tired of gov't. telling the public what they can and can't watch in the privacy of their own homes. Fucking pieces of dick!
I wish Max the best of luck in this fight and in the end hope his company is still around producing even more hardcore niche porn for the grown ass adults that want it!
--Chubbs
Did anyone notice that they mentioned "female performers" in the indictment and that the two USA attorneys that signed the indictment were both women?
The government is going to work the degradation to women aspect in this case. They feel like they have a better shot when they can stand up in front of a jury and say, "Isn't this awful what he is doing to these poor women. blah, blah, blah." And if they can have a female attorney do it, so much the better.
Im sure the pissing and puking on women will be a big part of the governments case to, not just degrading them, but the content overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titanmen
Regards,
Lee