ugas - what kind of cruddy policy is this

I have some sites with them, against my better judgement, but i wanted a prem avs with a gay sign up page. i had a server crash and lost the feeders, some of which have made sales. now these sites are not listed and i dont have them backed up, so i want them deleted. i cant as im told by ugas staff that ill loose all unpaid commssion on them.

Now i could just leave them as not listed, but all of a sudden, any new site i submit is automaticly not listed. why? well ive allways known - and ugas staff have confirmed this to be true, that if a reviewer sees a load of not listed sites, they simply stop listing any new sites you submit. Stupid i know but this is ugas were talking about.

Im now stuck doing fuck all with ugas until the end of the pay period.

People ask me why i hate tti.

this is 100% why

their policy may well suck, but why don't you have backups of your feeders?

because i was stupid. i wrote a script to build me members areas for feeders based on templates i write, it saves me making thumbs, writing html, uploading etc, i have the tour pages but didnt bother backing up the members areas.

why not ask them for a list of your feeders (if you don't already know them) and then recreate them as quickly as possible. I am sure if you are honest and try to get this fixed they will work with you. I have never heard anything but good stuff from the TTI people.

Good luck, I hope you find a way to get this fixed.

cheers,
Luke

Just email Robs at UGAS and explain the situation and I'm pretty sure he'll work out a solution for you.

support@ugas.com

Rob is actually a nice guy, but to be honest, im sick of working for companies who take this attitude. I think im going to just drop them.

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

Rob is actually a nice guy, but to be honest, im sick of working for companies who take this attitude. I think im going to just drop them.

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Good for you man, I dropped UGAS/CyberAge years ago, I am not a trained seal that’s going to jump though all these hoops to get a fish much less, less fish. UGAS was really the first service I had to drop for being (dicks, too many rules that make it not wroth messing with, inability to return good traffic) When UGAS fails “totally that is” maybe we can move out of the dark shadow it has created if not certainly been a leader in developing. :shit:

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Originally Posted by basschick

their policy may well suck, but why don't you have backups of your feeders?

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LOL I back up my feeders for years, I think I still have some from 2001

rules i dont mind. its when they dont follow them. if they sent me and email (like gmp and others do) saying "your site is not listed because... to fix it do this.." and then allways followed their rules in every review, id be happier. Instead if you kiss tti ass you get away with anything, a couple of not listed sites in your account and you wont ever get listed again.

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

rules i dont mind. its when they dont follow them. if they sent me and email (like gmp and others do) saying "your site is not listed because... to fix it do this.." and then allways followed their rules in every review, id be happier. Instead if you kiss tti ass you get away with anything, a couple of not listed sites in your account and you wont ever get listed again.

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What I have to think about when looking at all these rules is it really worth my time to create sites just for them? Are the sites I create for them with these rules going to be very effective at converting traffic? ECT. I do have to work with other services, I am sure if I gave them everything I would make more sales for them, but damn sure not for me.

You know, this sounds like a really strange rule and I've never heard of it before. I have quite a few (very) old UGAS galleries that aren't listed because they were on freehosts that disappeared. And I have zero problems getting new galleries listed. And I'm not a "UGAS kiss-ass" either. I am very vocal about things on their webmaster board.

I just started resubmitting galleries to Cyberage and ALL of my old galleries are no longer listed but they readily accept my new galleries. But maybe it's just a UGAS rule that doesn't apply to Cyberage.

I wonder if UGAS is not listing your galleries for other reasons and just using this as an excuse.

well that would be a hundred times worse, decide its not listed the lie about the reasons so i cant change it. would surprise me in the slightest with them though.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

... inability to return good traffic ...

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I disagree completely! UGAS's traffic is the most productive traffic I have every seen (except for Google Adwords) for upselling sponsors. I mostly attribute the sponsor upsells to UGAS allowing you to use your own FPAs (middle-page ads).

Their regular traffic used to be excellent for upselling to their Platinum program too. But that has totally gone to shit the past 6 months because their Platinum member's area is such a piece of crap and the surfers know it.

Mancheck's traffic is very unproductive for upselling to sponsors but excellent for upselling to their PlusVideo program.

And between the two, UGAS delivers approximately double the traffic of Mancheck from a new listing.

i sure wouldn't drop ugas over rules. their traffic rocks as do does their retention so i adapted the sites i sent them to fit their rules and i'm happy i did :)

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Originally Posted by basschick

i sure wouldn't drop ugas over rules. their traffic rocks as do does their retention so i adapted the sites i sent them to fit their rules and i'm happy i did :)

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I always feel vindicated when Patti agrees with me. :p

i really DID laugh out loud when i read this post.

after all, how can i help agreeing with you when you're right so often? ;)

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

I always feel vindicated when Patti agrees with me. :p

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Originally Posted by basschick

i really DID laugh out loud when i read this post.

after all, how can i help agreeing with you when you're right so often? ;)

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I'm only right so often because I take your advice so often. :x

its really not about the rules. rules im ok with, its about attitude of reviewers, rules being applied differently (xstraight guy makes my point, he has no problems getting listed with a string of nl sites when i and other people i know do). its about them making rules up as they go along. ive had sites not listed because a banner ad was too bright, i mean ffs.

if they could just be honest about why theyre not listing a site id be fine. ive had a cyberage site refused point blank because "it looks like a similar design to one linked with fraud". could they find me the site to compare it with? what do you think. dave even apoliagised and agreed to list the site, i agreed to list a new site (id given that one to pa by then) but only if he reviewed it first. "of course he would" he said. when i pmed him the site, i never heard back. that after him offering to "work with me" to get my sites listed (not that the orgional site broke a single rule in the first place).

daves a nice guy, ive worked closely with him in the past, but as a company their a heap of shit imo - unless your one of the favoured of course.

Just communicate directly with Robs. He is the ONLY reviewer working for UGAS. I ocassionally have to make changes that he requests but he will often listen to my reasons for thing being the way they are. I think any AVS will work with webmasters that they trust and make minor exceptions, etc. And it it has nothing to do with kissing their ass. ;)

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

dave even apoliagised and agreed to list the site, i agreed to list a new site (id given that one to pa by then)

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And btw Marc... I see you often referring to sites that are listed on AVS-A and not listed on AVS-B. Why not mirror all of your sites and list them on every productive AVS you can find? I do have a few sites that are exclusive to a particular AVS (movies AENs) but for the most part, I mirror all of the others on at least Mancheck and UGAS.

with ugas, i think its time to move on. why bang your head against a wall over and over. remember for me this has been going on for years - i submitted to ugas often before i took my porn break. its honestly not that i cant be bothered to try to work with them, its just that ive been trying for years and finally given up.

With the latter point your right! i tend to mirror if im after upsales to sponsors, if im after selling the avs i tend to keep it exclusive. I should really try to do both on all sites. need to be abit more organised i guess lol.

i think my avs sales are going to be focussed on gmp from now on, i pay heavy bank fees to get checks cashed so may aswell concentrate on one source, plus i find them a joy to work for and the money is better too.