If someone bought a domain and built up the site/template for it - would you be willing to buy it IF the template was nice and fit the name?
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If someone bought a domain and built up the site/template for it - would you be willing to buy it IF the template was nice and fit the name?
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Originally Posted by IdolKnights
Yeah why not, for a lot of people templates / design is the hardest part, so it would be an easy start for a site.
Really depends. It would have to be a killer design. Why would I pay for something that I could do/have done myself and the way i want?
Obviously if someone is designing the site, then there will be more of a markup if I either designed it or paid one of the designers that I use. Then I may still not be getting what I really want if I have no input in the design.
Now, if it has Google history, that maybe a different story.
You can get good quality design to your exact specs pretty cheap now. though some hate working with designers. So maybe good for a newbie I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
IdolKnights definitely isn't a newbie designer. I think even basschick remarked that one of his designs was the closest to perfect she has ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
Not if it was one of your designer friends who made it... NO :worm:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
Money down the drain has been my experience
I would have to say there are absolutely people out there who would go for this.
I frequently see these ads, usually in the back of some trashy magazine like National Enquirer or sometimes in Entrepreneur or something, with "MAKE BIG MONEY IN THE ADULT INTERNET BUSINESS!!! TURNKEY SITES!! START MAKING CASH TODAY!! and what they basically do is sell unsuspecting chumps a $200 so-so website design by some offshore designer, combined with a bunch of nonexclusive content (usually stills, usually ancient) and a domain name, for something like $2500.
The ads are there month after month, so there are obviously chumps that go for them.
My guess is if you make a nice turnkey setup and sell it at a reasonable price, market it on cozyfrog or one of the newbie boards, there would definitely be people that would go for the simplicity, particularly if they could buy an upgrade that included an Awiz license and some content.
Dunno if that's what you were after, but that's my thought.
That's the point. You'd have to see the site design first and make sure the comps you were shown are actually what the site designer can produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip
People disappearing is a problem in this industry as well. Promises are made, then not delivered, and people disappear.
My only advice is don't spend money you don't expect to lose with one of the kind of schemes IdolNights (Craig) is suggesting. The fact that he suggests a scam as a business plan is suspect in and of itself.
I don't get where you guys are thinking he is suggesting a scam, I think what he is saying is that he has a website, that he built, but for what ever reason, its done and he doesn't want to go forward, and wonders if anyone would buy something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
ah, the limitations of electronic communication.
I wasn't in any way suggesting this was a scam. I was *comparing* it to grossly overpriced scams, but fundamentally, the idea of a turnkey site is a good one for a variety of people, both newbie webmasters who want something to start with, and more experienced webmasters that might, for example, be looking for a value-add or an upsell to an existing site.
Actually, I think if done well and priced fairly, it would be an excellent business model for a designer to make some money and at the same time help out newbie webmasters trying to get started. Squirt's point is well taken about flakes in the industry (and I think the flakes are on both sides, the buyers as well as the designers/sellers), but particularly with something like this, there are ways of resolving the issue such as using an escrow agent, for example.
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Originally Posted by Squirt
1) It's a domain and prebuilt website - you pick from a list of ALREADY BUILT sites in a shopping cart. one time designs. Buy, change register ownership - or account push (based on who you use as a host) done.
2) This is the first I heard of a "scam"
3) you had examples and conversation from the guy. You also knew the people he said he worked for posted here, and a follow-up with them was as simple as sending them a message.
4) the fucking gull you have to call me out and use the word scam.
5) From our business history, I have never scammed, fucked over or trashed your name, business or dealings. We have exchanged money for services over the last 3 years and the last exchange was 1.5 months ago. (maybe 2, I'm a bit fuzzy)
So why you would blast me, my name and my ethics for a situation you had with someone I know (from another forum as you were told before you got his contact) , told you "they design and told me they designed X and X site, gave you their contact per your request and you said you were happy with him. "he seems real nice"
This is the FIRST I have heard of this. I have no ICQ messages and no GWW messages from you.
I almost feel bad for a few people you have blasted in the past because I can, from this side of the road, see how you twist shit in public and it's fucking crazy. I'm sorry but I honestly have no clue where this comes from and just wow. Fucking wow.
idolknights (craig)
Lee, I'm a scammer, scumbag and a piece of shit. You may want to remove me from the MOD list too.
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Originally Posted by Squirt
I'm the Designer of said site, you can contact me via icq: 18982172 or via email dru@mcnastydesigns.com. If you were displeased with the design all you needed to do was contact me, which you did not.
If you need assistance just icq me.
It's ok Megachops (aka Craig) no need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megachops
Been there done that.
Be careful who you do business with people :shithitfan:
http://www.freespirit.com/files/IMAG...arefulSafe.jpg
Dean,Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
I am not saying he is at all. I just find the whole system flawed for experienced webmasters.
Right at the start there is a problem. I may love the design, but hate the domain name, or I may love the domain name, but hate the design.
Then there is the issue that I am buying a site w/ no Google history or profits. So now it's up to me to make the site profitable.
I guess what I am saying is that with a decent designer and my own domainn name I can get a site built exactly to my specs.
There are tons of sites like these pop up on ebay all the time. Many have KILLER designs, but in all actuality I would have to surf 100 before I would find one that I THINK I might be able to make $$$ with.
Back in the day when ACGOLD was popular and was rebilling like crazy, a whole market came up of webmasters creating ACGOLD sites, getting rebills in the site, then selling it for about 6 months income. That was a good deal. I sold quite a few of them.
Many of the template sites have great designs and some even sell exclusive, but in all honesty the value to me minimal as I can get a designer to do just about anything I want without being tied to a predesigned site or an url not chosen by me.
BTW, I don't have issues with designers not finishing projects I want.
The whole "turnkey" system has gotten a bad rep as most people that buy these types of sites rarely ever make their money back. Part of the reason is they are limited to selling whatever the design dictates they sell. That can be a bitch.
I would only buy a domain with a developed design if it was showing some income, otherwise I would just grab a domain and hire a designer to design what I want to my specs in the exact niche that I want.
My 2 c
p.s. Ask a few of the guys that got a pre-designed site to market Badpuppy how they are doing....
I understand that, I guess I don't see it different then going on GFY buy and sell and buying some some sites on there for sale. I have done it before and done it again. I don't think he was talking about shopping them in the back of us weekly or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
I do understand what you are saying though, but I still think there is a market for it.
There is a market. Though not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
Concerning gfy, most sites that get sold on there have some income or at least traffic. Hell, I have bought sites from there, but not for the design, but I like the Google history and felt I could do something with the traffic.
And the sites that get sold on there for the most part are at a real cheap price.
Here - http://search.ebay.com/search/search...te+&category0=
Just check completed listings...
I bought a site on there like 4-6 weeks ago, just for the domain, I ditched the whole design (i bought the site for 20 bucks), and just because of the domain, and my google placement, it has made me $500 since I bought it. I keep an eye on things over there, there are some GOOD deals!Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
That's not true. I took your word regarding his site design and took a look at the URL's you provided and this is the result of his magnificent work for a site re-design for Squirtit.comQuote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
After I paid 1/2 up front IdolNights (Craig) disappeared for weeks and Mr. McNasty was far from obtainable.
Times are difficult and extra money is hard to come by. I don't appreciate getting shafted and ignored.
My ICQ is 265912752 if anyone wants more information. I've been threatened via ICQ by IdolNights aka SappyHucks aka craig, a moderator on this forum, on ICQ he said:
SappyHucks (3:29 AM):
you DID just show me something
It's not great - not even that good
And I would ask for mods and changes to it myself
SappyHucks (3:30 AM):
This is over - I'll have lee post the IP info and we can move on.
Perhaps I'll be forced to move to a new forum now.
That's my point! You wanted the domain and Google placement. That is the REAL value, not the design. The design limits you to that design.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
WOW, I am gonna be a BILLIONAIRE from all of the websites I just bought! :cheerleader: :cheerleader:Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
Well that's the point of the turnkey sites being a scam :bananacock:Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
I still don't get where your work with Dru, has anything to do with calling Craig a scammer. Just because you met the guy through Craig doesn't mean that Craig is a scammer. You even just posted the design that the guy gave you, so he doesn't look like a scammer either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
You have worked with Craig for years, and I have worked with Craig for over a year know, we both know that Craig is not a scammer.
99% of the people that buy these turnkey sites never make a dime. In fact most lose even more when they start buying traffic for them. That's the problem. The "newbies" that buy these have no idea how to get traffic to them.
Seriously, lets say I design an asian site on a domain and sell it to someone. Chances are that person is a newbie (otherwise he would have a designer design one for him). He wont make a dime off the thing.
So many people have lost money off expansive turnkey sites that it isn't funny,
Newbies tend to buy them and they are the ones that have absolutely no idea what to do with them after they buy them.
I can understand where you are coming from here, that it would be more likely to be bought by a newbie, there for it would be more likely that they wouldn't make any money.Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
It would probably be a better business model to get the site working, and get some links and traffic flowing through it and then sell it. Not only would it be worth more money, but it would cost more, so a more experienced person would buy it.
lloyd - my question was mainly because I'm seeing more and more designer sites add pre-built, buy and go templates.
It made me think of turnkeys and wanted to see if people would pick up the pre-built if they were attached to domains. Or, if it was just better to have a storage of pre-bult designs where people can edit the text as they need, chance the css and page color if they want the design but need it blue, not green.
Right on. Why sell a site to someone that will probably never make a dime off it? Develop it and sell it for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
Looking at some of the turnkey sites on Ebay. I like videogames, but I also know the market very well as I have an Ebay business selling them. I can tell you right off the bat that the turnkey video games sites will never make 99% of those that buy them one single penny. In fact most will lose even more $$$ trying to make money off them.
Turnkey sites were the rage like 5 years ago in this biz. It died for a reason. No one was making money.
Ask some of these guys how much they made -
http://www.gaysites4sale.com/index.html
I haven't worked with Craig for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
Oddly enough, after I paid 1/2 upfront for the design, Craig disappeared off ICQ for weeks, though you said you were able to see him on ICQ, and I wasn't, while the "design" guy Dru was flaky and rude, and ultimately took my money with no usable results.
Honestly I don't care. I'm just sharing the experience. I'm sure Craig, Dru, etc. are all good people and it was just a deal gone bad. No drama. Just my personal experience. If others get scammed or have a bad experience they can fall back on this thread. KEYWORDS: HappySucks , SappyHucks, Dru, turnkey, design, scam
Craig does NOT get on ICQ every day, and I did not tell you that he did. Hell, I talk to Craig 99.999999% of the time on AIM, we play games online together occasionally, I also talk to him over text messaging. You know he isn't a scammer, and posting that is false, and you know it, why not just retract your statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
You posted a link to the design, so you received it, how exactly were you scammed, or am I missing something?
so you are looking to do like monster templates?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
The domain name and design are only a small part of a site. There has to be content or some way to make money. When you add content, the costs really rise. Or if its a doorway site to a revenue source (dating etc) then one has to rely on that for income.
The hard part that I see is most that buy these don't have the experience in marketing to make any money.
What do these designs lead to? A paysite? If it's a paysite, then the design is a minimal cost. The content is the most expensive. IMHO sites that rely on cheap content (plugins) are pretty much dead. If one can afford the content startup costs then one could afford their own designer otherwise they really shouldn't be in this business.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolKnights
This thread really has 2 completely different directions.
Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.
Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.
But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.
Depends on what you are selling i guess.
He isn't talking about paysites, or TGP/MGP. Its hard to explain, Craig can. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
I have never posted on GWW or any other board a bad experience with a designer until now. Do a search. This is a first.Quote:
Originally Posted by deanb
I will not stand by and have my money taken, then be threatened via ICQ by Craig aka IdolNights as a moderator regarding GWW.
If you honestly think that the link I gave to a single page was to be the completed site re-design that is expected post 1990's you have got to be joking. Then again it's not your money. Not your problem.
Lee has had many issues with designers in the past, for the first time I know how he feels and I understand why he refused to pay. In the future I wont even pay 1/2 up front. Being ripped off sucks big time.
Why don't you tell everyone how much the design cost? You got a design from him, that is my point, selecting a bad designer isn't the designers fault, thats why they have portfolios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt
Again you are saying you got ripped off, when you got the design, is it the best design? No, and I will agree with you there, with some tweaking it could maybe be decent, the header is off to a good start.
But if you don't pay designers for good work, you aren't going to get it.
EDIT: PS, I am guilty of being cheap with designers too, but again, I don't expect the kind of work from a cheap designer that I would from webinc or dickmans, or mark tiarra
yes and no (monster templates)Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.
But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.
But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.
Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.
If it's anything like I was provided through Craig aka Happysucks aka SappyHucks aka IdolNights or his designer friend Mcnasty aka Megachops aka Dru then it would look like this if it's a different scheme with him then I have no idea, but I'd be weary of what you'll get for your hard earned money. $0.02Quote:
Originally Posted by abostonboy
I think the tone of this thread is getting a little heated. I would respectfully ask that people remain respectful of each other while discussing their concerns.
If there are disputes about past business dealings, I would respectfully ask that those issues be addressed over PM or email rather than here. Squirt has raised his concerns, others have spoken their piece, so perhaps things can be resolved offline and the resolution (if any is required) posted here.
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Originally Posted by Squirt
Really Squirt this is all getting old, and everyone here knows Craig didn't rip you off. Lay off of it.