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Hey guys! Im a model and I did webcam work for Eon Films... They've owed me 500 dollars for about 2 months now. I was just wondering if anyone who has thier feeds knows if perhaps they are having problems with making payments right now... or if maybe I've just been screwed over. Thanks for any/all advise.
Rocky is a pretty standup guy. I know he occasionally has cash problems, but this is the first I've heard of him not paying anyone.
I don't know what his current situation is, but have you tried to make a payment arrangement with him? Is he not returning calls/emails?
This has already been addressed and resolved. We had a miscommunication on an arrangement.
R.
I have been attempting to contact rocky since Vegas in January,
Rocky owes me several thousand dollars, and is aware of it....
I have left many many messages and email for Rocky, and even have tried to contact him through 3rd parties. It is a shame, with Rocky's reputation, that now I am forced to get lawyers involved.
Rocky, care to call me back now?
I owed you $5000.00
I paid you $2000.00
I still owe you $3000.00
I am working my ass off for D&E Productions/BluMedia and Pride Studios as a photographer in order to pay you (and someone else) the funds that I owe you/them. Feel free to ask David, Eddie, Harlan and Mark how much I am busting my ass. I have also taken on a job as a director for a new studio in order to get caught up. I cannot say who that studio is, just yet, but a press release is coming. I am not filming anything new for Eon Films until the debt for "The Stone Age" is 100% repaid.
Since you brought this public, that's my public response.
I had a real bad run of bad luck after February, so I am still running to catch up. This is not an excuse, but bad shit happens and I had to prioritize my debts in order to take care of myself. On one hand, I could have paid you off in full, but then lost my house and car and everything I own. On the other hand, I could have not paid you off and taken new jobs in order to make sure that you COULD get paid back the $$ owed.
So I picked the best option.
(And you always, always, ALWAYS call while I am in a photoshoot and cannot answer the phone. I shoot from 9am until 2am, every day except Monday, which is when I am busy cleaning my set and scheduling my shoots for the coming week. When I shoot, I leave my phone on the desk of give it to Jeremy, my assistant. If I don't get back to you, you need to call back. And I also told you many times before that the best way to get hold of me is through a text message, because I WILL get that. And as for third party... who the hell are you talking about? I have never heard from a third party telling me to contact you... except for that attorney, who never replied back to me, regardless of how many emails I sent him.
So sit tight, Howard. Bad shit happened, I am back on track and working my little tail off to take care of you.
R.
Thanks Rocky
hope things get better talk to you soon
*hugs for rocky*
Shit happens - but frankly - Rocky's post sounds upright and honest and in no way he sounds like he's running away from his problems.
Let me just say that I think it is really bad form to post in a public message your bill collecting problems. Yes, we all want to get paid, but to just title a message pointing fingers that only cause rumors is inappropriate.
I mean, why not just post your entire accounts receivable on here while you're at it? Maybe I know your milkman, who's 60 days past due with you, too.
I could just as easily post fair sounding messages like "so Rocky, isn't it true that you beat your boyfriend?" ... or ... "hey my neighbor said that his daughter saw Rocky practicing witchcraft in a coven out in the forest last week, let's all on the message boards go light our torches and find some real justice."... cut to a Springfield Town Mob from the Simpsons rushing to Rocky's to "collect"
Trying to make the message forums a de facto credit rating agency is a bad idea.
Anyways, had to get that off my chest.
Thanks,
Steve
Steve..I couldnt agree with you more!!:angry:
cheers
:bow:
Sometimes it seems like our industry has forgotten there are still telephones. Pick it up, push the buttons. It's FUN! You even get to speak to ppl in real time.
Hallo.... HALLO... darn those touch tone phones....
If Rocky owes money, he is not the type of guy to run and hide. Thus, if he owes money, you can expect it. He isn't one to screw people without lube and then run away from you. You'll get your money, just give him time.
Never know when bad things happen.. I think Rocky did his job for the guys he owed.
I paid this guy for content on the 21st of march.Quote:
Originally Posted by derekt
I still haven't received it.
its now exactly a month since I paid him. At what point do you guys stop making excuses for him?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
The ICQ I received from this guy today and my reply:
12clicks (05:16 AM) :
what is this week's excuse for my content not being here?
BeachBoi.com (06:13 AM) :
listen bud, you ordered content and then didnt like the method of delivery, despite the fact that the delivery method was posted clearly on the preview site. i went out of my way to export all of the footage off of the mini-dv's for you, re-edit the footage and then burn it to data-dv, and even added 2 extra scenes not available for sell on the sites for the trouble.
BeachBoi.com (06:13 AM) :
considering the fact that i told you when you ordered that i only work on content twice a week because of my very busy shooting schedule, i would expect a little professional courtesy since i had to change the method of delivery just to suit you.
BeachBoi.com (06:15 AM) :
it is not my fault that you do n ot want the content delivered on mini-dv, as i deliver it to all other sites i shoot for (with no issue). i have done my best to accomodate you and burned all of the content to data-dvd, as your request.
I love playing this game!Quote:
Originally Posted by EonFilms_Rocky
12clicks [9:39 AM] :
that's all well and good except that the content is still not here.
12clicks [9:39 AM] :
and I paid you over a month ago.
12clicks [9:41 AM] :
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008, 8:10 AM, BeachBoi.com said :
ya i have it right here, i had to re-edit some of the video to fit cuz it was too big for the dvds
12clicks [9:41 AM] :
it is now Mon, Apr 21, 2008 so it now should be right here. no?
12clicks (06:38 AM) :Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
that's all well and good except that the content is still not here.
12clicks (06:38 AM) :
and I paid you over a month ago.
12clicks (06:40 AM) :
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008, 8:10 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
ya i have it right here, i had to re-edit some of the video to fit cuz it was too big for the dvds
it is now Mon, Apr 21, 2008 so it now should be right here. no?
BeachBoi.com (06:47 AM) :
considering i work on content on mondays and tuesdays, like i told you when you ordered, (and that message was sent last wednesday and today is monday) then, no. i work on content mondays and tuesdays. i am on set shooting all day and most of the night wednesdays through sundays. as it were, in order to accomodate you, i had to work on these as i was filming, which means having to leave the set in the middle of a scene every 15 minutes and make sure the videos are rendering properly.
BeachBoi.com (06:48 AM) :
you messaged me on wednesday 4/16. at that point the videos were all done and burned and were sitting waiting for shipping. the only days i could have shipped them were saturday and sunday. however, i am extremely busy shooting on saturdays and sundays, as well as running models back and forth to the airport on the latter day. not to mention that the post office is closed on sunday
BeachBoi.com (06:48 AM) :
so now here we are, monday, and your content is sitting right in front of me, on the day that i work on content.
12clicks (06:49 AM) :
but will you be mailing it today?
BeachBoi.com (06:50 AM) :
i am taking the stack of dvd's with me when i run my errands. i had to fire my assistant so i am sort of doing all of this on my own until i hire a new one.
12clicks (06:51 AM) :
that doesn't read as "yes, I'll be mailing them today"
BeachBoi.com (06:51 AM) :
and the reason the people on the board "defend" me is because i have a reputation for being honest, hardworking and for putting out a damn good product
BeachBoi.com (06:51 AM) :
they will be to you by the end of the week. i mail content via priority mail.
12clicks (06:52 AM) :
priority mail comes in two days. if you mail it today, I'll have it weds.
12clicks (06:52 AM) :
not "end of the week"
BeachBoi.com (06:52 AM) :
depends on if i can get it to the post office by 4:45 or not.
BeachBoi.com (06:52 AM) :
if not, it will eb thursday
BeachBoi.com (06:52 AM) :
"the end of the week"
BeachBoi.com (06:53 AM) :
im not just sticking dvd's with a ton of content in my post box ooutside my front door.
BeachBoi.com (06:54 AM) :
445 pm is the cut off time for the post office to accept packages for delivery. anythign after that is considered the next business day
BeachBoi.com (06:54 AM) :
unless its local
12clicks (06:55 AM) :
so you should hustle down to the post office and mail it out now.
BeachBoi.com (06:55 AM) :
i have errands to run. do not presume to dictate my day, sir. your content will be mailed, as i have said.
12clicks (06:56 AM) :
here is your problem, son.
You somehow are under the delusion that putting errands ahead of business is a proper way to do business.
BeachBoi.com (06:56 AM) :
my errands ARE my business
12clicks (06:57 AM) :
yeah, most likely business that has not yet paid.
once the money is in your pocket, I guess it becomes low priority.
BeachBoi.com (06:59 AM) :
i do not see how you can think that i have put you as a "low priority" when i continued to leave a live set DURING filming every few minute sin order to ensure that your content was being produced for delivery in the manner in which you requested (which i did not have to do, considering that the website itself declares the method of delivery as mini-dv).
BeachBoi.com (07:00 AM) :
if anything, i put this order on equal priority with my exclusive photo and video shoots that i do for other companies.
BeachBoi.com (07:00 AM) :
so do not presume to assume what i do and do not prioritize.
BeachBoi.com (07:02 AM) :
now, we can sit here and go back and forth all day, or you can paitently wait for the SPECIAL ORDER that i went out of my way to put together for you, or i cna just refund your money since you are not happy with the delivery.
12clicks (07:04 AM) :
send the content.
if its not here by friday, I'll handle it the way I've always handled it during my 10yrs online.
have a good day.
BeachBoi.com (07:04 AM) :
how ominous.
Truer words were never spoken, and I am sorry that I had to participate in what I previously wagged my finger at; however, I have found it necessary, as of late, to more frequently defend my character. So that is what I did, and I apologize if it offends anyone here.Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
Especially Steve. Whom I love. But not in that way.
:bananacock:
<3
R.
you left off the best part!
12clicks [10:06 AM] :
hahaha.
the fact of the matter is you're completely unprofessional.
you've invented stories about why its taken over a month for my content to arrive.
here are the highlights of your excuses:
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 3:13 PM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
as soon as i get the $$, ill get u th econtent within th eweek. usually within a day or two
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 9:51 AM, 12clicks said :
you're wire went out friday. ;-)
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 12:22 PM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
yep, it posted today! i will start your order this afternoon and tomorrow. should be shipping out wednesday :-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:48 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
hey just giving u an update: im having trouble transferring the videos to mini-dv. would you rather have them ftp'd?
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008, 11:50 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
thats the problem im having. they are freezing during the exporting to min-dv. ive cleanied up the comp and added 2 extra drives to handle the load, but they still freeze. im not sure what the issue is. here are my options:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008, 12:01 PM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
now, if you want those on a data dvd, i can also do that. the quality is just much, much better with the delivery of a mini-dv
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008, 12:47 PM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
can u email me ur address for shipping to rosendobrown@yahoo.com? that way i can get your stuff out
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008, 8:10 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
ya i have it right here, i had to re-edit some of the video to fit cuz it was too big for the dvds
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 9:51 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
i am taking the stack of dvd's with me when i run my errands. i had to fire my assistant so i am sort of doing all of this on my own until i hire a new one.
now come friday when the content isn't here I'm sure I'll have another of his excuses to add to the list.
you've got a lot to learn about business.Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
You are omitting HUGE relevant parts of these conversations in order to conveniently paint yourself in a more favorable light. The facts are that I tried to reach you when I had issues putting the content on the mini-dv, but you were at the Phoenix Forum and I could not contact you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
The email you provided me bounced back.
You flew into a rage when you learned that I was putting the content on mini-dv, and, in fact, did not know what a mini-dv was until I explained it to you, and then flew into another rage when you learned that mini-dv was digital tape!
Come friday you will have your money returned to you. You are completely unprofessional, sir, and I am glad to wash my hands of you.
Good day.
April 2nd, 2008:
BeachBoi.com (08:52 AM) :
the content is delivered on MINI-DV
12clicks (08:52 AM) :
wtf is minidv?
BeachBoi.com (08:52 AM) :
which is a tape. it says that right on the preview pages.
BeachBoi.com (08:52 AM) :
mini-dv
12clicks (08:52 AM) :
I want my money back.
12clicks (08:53 AM) :
I'm not sure what business you're in but it certainly isnt content.
I buy from EVERYONE in this biz and have stacks of DVDs to prove it.
12clicks (08:53 AM) :
you want to send a tape? what fucking planet are you from?
BeachBoi.com (08:53 AM) :
i sell content for a living. i shoot for websites every single day and deliver with mini-dv to everyone
To reiterate, I have decided that I would rather return your money instead of dealing with you. Your unprofessional attitude and the way you have handled this matter have completely soured me to doing business with you. I went out of my way to make sure that your content was suitable for delivery in the method of your choosing, since you rejected my methods of delivery.
Now, this board has other useful topics on which I am sure we can both be posting. Let this matter be closed with the knowledge that you are receiving your refund.
Good day to you, and good luck in your future endeavors.
R.
you're a fucking scam artist as I suspected.
You have the content ready to mail but prefer to give me money back instead?
money that's been pointed out several times in this thread you don't have?
I wonder how long I'll be waiting for my refund.
Probably a lot longer than the month I've waited for your non-existent content.
Hahaha, what a joke!
No, I am refunding your money because you are conducting yourself extremely unprofessionally. You are also, frankly, are a A-Class prick and I prefer not to do business with you. I hate to resort to such brash actions as name-calling, but I calls-em as I sees-em.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
And here are your DVD's... kind of an elaborate scam for such little payoff, if you ask me.
http://www.eonfilms.com/images/discs.jpg
Your check is going in the mail today.
I have just about had enough of you for one day to last me the rest of my life.
Good day.
R.
It has, by my count, been pointed out twice in this thread, and once was by me as a reason why I didn't pay Howard back, which he accepted. Your money is still in my account and ready to be returned to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
Go hunt your witches elsewhere. I won't be burning at your stake today.
yeah, well I won't be holding my breath by the mailbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by EonFilms_Rocky
ready your list of excuses so when next week rolls around you've got them ready to trot out here.
Dear 12 Monkeys:Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
And you seem like a real pleasure to do business with.
Steve
I don't like to get involved in other people's fights but I know it's really difficult when you make a deal based on what is promised on the website and then have the client change it all on you. You do your best to accommodate them but sometimes two people just can't reach a conclusion. I can see where Rocky's coming from, having promised content on Mini-DV and then busting his ass to convert all that content to DVD (which is no easy feat). Sure a month seems long if you're dealing with a company that has a full staff that does nothing but content, but when you are asking one person who basically runs his entire operation on his own for a huge special favor you have to give him some leeway. I can understand if you feel that you are not satisfied, but it's not really fair to call someone a scam artist when they've done you a special favor (which caused the delay you are complaining about) and then offered you some bonus content to make up for it.
I do think it's a shame to simply refund his money once all the work has been done. I think you guys should finish the transaction, and wipe your hands of the whole thing. 12Clicks, you'll get what you paid for, and Rocky, your work will not have been in vain. Then, once it's done it's done. Shake hands and agree not to work together anymore.
DonMike, he did me no favors. I told him to send my money back and he said he could do it on DVD data for me. at no time did he say, "gee, this will take a while" or "I'm not really equipped for it"Quote:
Originally Posted by DonMike
He said, "yeah, I can do that" I said fine.
however, he had already explained that he couldn't deliver on mini-dv either. If you can't deliver, do not sell. do not take money.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 9:51 AM, 12clicks said :
you're wire went out friday. ;-)
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:48 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
hey just giving u an update: im having trouble transferring the videos to mini-dv. would you rather have them ftp'd?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:49 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
it will take a little longer and these are raw, large, uncompressed avi files, but you will get them
either the dude is in business or he is not. he seemed unable to deliver in ANY format.
And one of the DVDs in his picture above definitely has walt disney's "Cinderella" on it. ;)
if you ever enter the business world, you can find out first hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by desslock
I call bullshit on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
I told you that I could have it outsourced to one of my guys in Ithaca who could get it delivered for you OR I could FTP it OR I could put it on Data-DVD, but it would take a while. All of this was clearly explained to you.
It does not matter now. You are not willing to ANYBODY and resort to telling reputable people who have been in this business for many, many years that they do not know how to conduct business. Apparently, judging from your posts, nobody seems to know how to do business except for you.
So I choose not to do business with you.
You will be getting your refund.
And please, feel free to point out which of those discs has "Cinderella" on it. Perhaps you can use this refund to get some glasses.
R.
yes, clown. it was clearly explained to me that you couldn't deliver right AFTER I paid you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EonFilms_Rocky
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:48 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
hey just giving u an update: im having trouble transferring the videos to mini-dv. would you rather have them ftp'd?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:49 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
it will take a little longer and these are raw, large, uncompressed avi files, but you will get them
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008, 11:50 AM, BeachBoi/gaycontent said :
thats the problem im having. they are freezing during the exporting to min-dv. ive cleanied up the comp and added 2 extra drives to handle the load, but they still freeze. im not sure what the issue is. here are my options:
hmmmm, a so called content guy who can't deliver content in over a month and a review site clown with his myspace page in his sig?Quote:
Originally Posted by EonFilms_Rocky
if thats what passes for reputable here, this is a pretty odd place.:crazy:
I got to meet alot of you in person at the phoenix forum. Our content business does well, as do our several DVD lines. Our agreements with our clients are IN WRITING , so there is a "Founding document " to refer back to. Changes of course, are part of business , but a founding doc at least let's everyone agree from whence they began , and move forward, on grounds peeps can agree on .
If I or my brother may be off any assistance, send me a pm . Again, it was a pleasure to actually meet, greet, ( and sometimes eat ) with so many great peeps at the forum.
Perhaps my personal appearance helped to stop stories spread by "Jealous competitors", that we really don't run our own operations. CERTAINLY THE HISTORY OF THIS BUSINESS is littered with the corpes of those "Stars" who thought they could be producers. We were very fortunate to have such a vast amount of experience, before and behind the cameras. with a good mentor, before we went out on our own, a tradition that continues today with guys like Dave at Boydollars . So yes, you can be 24 and run a successful company, if your mind is focused and your skills,sharp.
Personally, we'd rather focus on the positive and continue to move forward, rather then get in rant contests. That seems to jive with many of the great pro's who make up this, and other boards. We 're currently open to suggestion on all sorts of partnership arrangements, member sites, videos stores,. blogs, u name it .
Again, if we may be of any assistance to to any here , please let us know .
Mark Woods
The Gospel According to matthew and mark
"The Woods Twins "
First, I never said I couldn't deliver. I said that there was an issue with the content being out onto the mini-dv and I had other options for delivery so that you could get your order. FTP and outsourcing were both proposed to you, which you declined.Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
Second, it was a week after you ordered, because you were at the Phoenix Forum and I had no way to contact you other than ICQ, which you were not signed into. I tried to email you, but (as I have stated) the email was bounced back. That is hardly "right after."
Third, as it has been explained to you by me AND by DonMike, taking content from a Mini-DV and putting it onto a DVD takes a LOT of time, which I did for you as a special favor, since it CLEARLY STATES on the order site that all video content is delivered via Mini-DV. If you did not know what Mini-DV was, then you should not have placed an order without finding out.
Fourth, as I have also previously explained, this took a lot of time because I was BUSY SHOOTING CONTENT from Wednesday through Sunday and had to STOP my photo and video shoots every few minutes just to make sure your content was being prepared the way YOU wanted.
So I guess I am wrong for making sure that you, the customer, were getting what you paid for in the format that you specifically requested, and doing so as I am ON SET and in the middle of FILMING!!!
So forgive the fuck out of me if I cannot deliver your order over-fucking-night as I am working from 9am until 2am every god damn day, running back and forth across my studio filming a few minutes of footage, then checking your content, then filming some more, then checking your content again... all fucking day, every fucking day for almost 2 weeks. NOT TO MENTION the time I had to take to edit two of the clips down because they were TOO BIG to fit uncompressed on a DVD, which is a problem I told you about, as well!!! Do you have any idea how long it takes to film a scene and take photos, while at the same time trying to export footage from the raw Mini-DV footage to the computer, edit it, then burn it on a DVD?
I do not know why I continue to post on this subject, so I will not. There is an "ignore" option for a reason.
And now, once again, good day to you. Keep wasting your breath here insulting me and the others in this community. If you are so schooled in "business" then you should be well aware that you catch more flies with honey an dyou never burn a bridge.
Good luck to you, sir. With your business demeanor, I am sure you need as much of it as you can acquire.
Sincerely,
Rocky Brown
Words to live by, thank you sir. And happy birthday to you. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by gayporncowboy
R.
I can't wait to hear your excuse for my check not arriving. :juggle:
For the record, Desslock runs a well known and highly respected review site which has been around for quite a few years and sends a lot of traffic to various programs. I may not always agree with his viewpoints, but to characterize him as somebody who doesn't understand business when he's a well known and respected player in the gay adult industry is inappropriate. Likewise, DonMike has been in the content business forever and made several legitimate points.
Also for the record, as someone who shoots and works with content constantly, I can assure you that when you're working directly with a small producer who shoots original, exclusive content, it is very common to receive content on DV tape, as for many of us, that's the native format for it. I would personally much prefer to receive content on DV because it's much, much higher quality than what one can get on DVD, and as DonMike said, it's no small effort to transcode content from uncompressed DV-AVI to the MPEG format required for DVD, not to mention it's an excruciatingly slow process, even with the fastest computer.
I think Rocky would agree that he's far from perfect, as am I, and as is most everyone else in the world. He's had some difficult situations and has a lot of people breathing down his neck, and yet, instead of disappearing and stiffing everyone as many in his situation have done in the past, he's staying put, speaking publicly about the issues, and doing his best to do right by everyone.
Yes, I'd be pissed as well if I'd waited a month for something, and you have every right to be upset. But it sounds like Rocky is doing his best to do the right thing. He's offered you a full refund, even though he's put probably at least 20-30 hours of encoding time into your project, judging from the number of discs in the picture. So either way, whether he delivers the content and keeps your money, or gives you a refund, he's lost a ton of money on the deal in terms of his time.
Seems like he's trying to do the right thing. Perhaps, instead of continuing to bash after he's made clear he wants to make things right, you should sit tight and see if the check *does* show up. If it doesn't, you can always post again. But saying "I know I'm not going to get it" serves no purpose at all.
I have to echo Chips remarks.
I too do not always agree with Desslock's point of view or politics, but he is a well respected part of our communtiy and a good businessman.
At the very least I think you owe him an apology.
People can have heated debate without resorting to namecalling or trying to belittle someone.
if paysites don't have updates on time, it can cost many thousands of dollars and harm the site's reputation.
rocky, i'm curious about something, and since it's none of my business, please feel free not to answer. did you offer to send the content on a harddrive to be followed by the dvds when you knew you were going to be late?