Investigating GayPay

Hi folks,

I was wondering what y'all can tell me about GayPay. I have been working with them for a while now and have had a good experience.

While in the middle of preparing a big push on their sites, I noticed that Rabbit's Reviews posted this next to their review of QSolo.

> Due to many user complaints, we no longer review sites from this company.

(I haven't made enough enough posts to link to it yet, otherwise I would. It's there though!)

I haven't had any complaints, so I was curious what it was all about. I went on with my works and found that all of the GayPay sites I have checked, hidden in the terms and conditions during the join process is this quote:

> When joining this site you automatically gain 2 days free access to
> IncrediblePass.com Rebilling after 2 days if not canceled at $39.94.

I immediately wondered if this was why people were upset. I know that a lot of websites have boxes you need to uncheck during the signup process or else you get billed for additional sites, but this wasn't even a site you could uncheck. As I said, it was hidden in the terms and conditions.

Are people who join this site really getting billed for IncrediblePass? It's pretty slimy to hide a $40 charge that way. Or is there another problem with their sites I am not aware of?

(Wish I knew why Rabbit's Reviews got so pissed at them).

Thanks!

--Aaron (from GayGeek)

Yep you answered it yourself, it's the prechecked crosssales on the signup form and members seem to be complaining about cancelation problems and ongoing charges. Those guys scam surfers and affiliates.

I'm not sure that it's pre-checked cross-sales that are pissing people off, although it certainly is ethically shady to have them pre-checked. I think most people would notice the checkboxes.

But to hide a $40/month costs in the terms and services? Now that's just fucking rude. I'll post a big-ass warning on GayGeek on all of their sites if I learn that's what they're doing.

Anyone else have any information on these folks and their billing practices? Or whatever else might have pissed off Rabbit's Reviews.

those aren't typically done cross sales, and i'm sure a lot more people miss them than miss normal ones. they say "bonus site" next to each one - there's no indication that these something you pay for in my 1024 browser window. also note that terms is prechecked and NOT uncheckable.

Yup. And that's not even the fine print in the Terms and Conditions where you learn you're spending another $40 on top of all that. Unless, of course you cancel the extra membership, and they're awfully vague on how to do that.

--Aaron

And we wonder why the industry has such a shitty reputation.

They do however have nicer original content than most comapnies, for that niche.

Effective Tuesday February 3rd, we are no longer accepting review sites. The reason for this decision is a review site "reviewed" xxxdto.com. In their review it was misleading and uterly false.
Example: The review said videos were downloaded in .avi format at the lowest quality.
This is false. Videos are downloaded in .wmv format at 680x4-something.

For the full length DVDs it said they were downloaded in a zipped folder of 3 minute clips only.
This is purely false due to the fact that yes they are downloaded in zip files, but they are the scenes from the dvd. No videos on the site are sold for less than 10 minutes.

It said the prices rebilled. They do not rebill. They are one time transactions for the price of the tokens.

The score given was 36 out of 100.

Then we found another review site that had copied their exact review but changed some of the wording.

We had the 2 reviews pulled. At first, they gave us a battle. So we dove in harder and got the reviews pulled.

Thus, we are no longer allowing review sites to utilize our affiliate programs. We can't take the risk for false demeanors.

*LOLOLOL*

so a single review site fucks up and instead of emailing that one affiliate with the facts, they cancel an entire genre of marketing? :jerkoff:

btw, for what it's worth, their videos really are nice quality...

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Originally Posted by derekt

Effective Tuesday February 3rd, we are no longer accepting review sites. The reason for this decision is a review site "reviewed" xxxdto.com. In their review it was misleading and uterly false.
Example: The review said videos were downloaded in .avi format at the lowest quality.
This is false. Videos are downloaded in .wmv format at 680x4-something.

For the full length DVDs it said they were downloaded in a zipped folder of 3 minute clips only.
This is purely false due to the fact that yes they are downloaded in zip files, but they are the scenes from the dvd. No videos on the site are sold for less than 10 minutes.

It said the prices rebilled. They do not rebill. They are one time transactions for the price of the tokens.

The score given was 36 out of 100.

Then we found another review site that had copied their exact review but changed some of the wording.

We had the 2 reviews pulled. At first, they gave us a battle. So we dove in harder and got the reviews pulled.

Thus, we are no longer allowing review sites to utilize our affiliate programs. We can't take the risk for false demeanors.

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Not being able to 'uncheck' a cross-sale really is a questionable business practice.

As far as the review sites go, derekt, it's good you went after them and had them pull the misleading review, but turning your back on all review sites as a whole over two knuckleheads seems a bit extreme IMHO. What we tend to do with review sites is ask them to send us a copy of the review before they post it to give us an opportunity to correct any problems or issues they spot. Though we do take those suggestions and criticisms to heart, it also gives us an opportunity to call them out on any misinformation before it reaches the masturbating masses.

We actually had a pic of the guy from Rabbit's Reviews up on our webmasters interface, but they took the guy outside in the Arizona sun and snapped his picture so he's squinting like a WoW player dragged from his mother's basement. It was taken down and replaced with some boobs last I checked.

there has been a lot of topics about cross sales lately for sure

Hmmmm - bummer - gaypay and all the sobv sites group have been making news on the boards lately - for banging surfers cards.

That means - sticking extra mysterious charges on a surfers card, after they have cancelled their account.

Its too bad there isn't a way to shut shitheads like that down. I would think their cc processor would not be too happy, unless the own their own merchant account and gateway, but even then.

I wonder if there would ever be a time when adult webmasters and adult site owners could form a consortium of sorts and then deal with companies such as GayPay.

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Originally Posted by maxx68

Its too bad there isn't a way to shut shitheads like that down. I would think their cc processor would not be too happy, unless the own their own merchant account and gateway, but even then.

I wonder if there would ever be a time when adult webmasters and adult site owners could form a consortium of sorts and then deal with companies such as GayPay.

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As nice as that would be, the very nature of e-commerce would make it nigh-on impossible=(

Regarding this.... we do not bang anyones credit cards or participate in any fraudulent activity...

There have been many false claims and muddy water. We had worked with certain programs in the past, and decided to terminate our relationship with those programs due to their practices we do not agree with.

As far as cross sales... we still have them. But we have cleaned them up. People voiced their concerns and opinions, we listened. And made changes accordingly.

And please let me know if you have any concerns or questions, I am here to address those

We welcome any constructive criticism, it's important and not only benefits the affiliates, but the surfers who are the bloodline of the industry.

Thanks,
DJ

Hi DJ,

Thanks for responding to our concerns.

The issue involves this quote from the terms of service during the signup process for several (if not all) GayPay sites.

> When joining this site you automatically gain 2 days free access to
> IncrediblePass.com Rebilling after 2 days if not canceled at $39.94.

This is not a pre-selected checkbox. This is within the TOS and is not evident to anyone who does not read them.

My questions are:

- Are users, in fact, signed up for IncrediblePass as per those terms?
- If not, why are those terms included in the terms of service when they can be activated at any moment? And when will they be removed from the TOS?

Right now on GayGeek we have a big warning on all GayPay sites regarding this issue. This is depressing to me, as your sites have converted extremely well and I'd love to send you more business. But being a review website I cannot in good conscious send users to a website with hidden fees in its terms of service without warning them. It would be unethical for me to do otherwise. As soon as the TOS is cleaned up though I'll remove the warning from your site listings on GayGeek.

Thanks,

--Aaron

Those were in there for our old cross sales...
the user could uncheck them with no issue
it was just in there for people that decided to keep them checked

Was left on Terms of Service page by mistake, I apologize, The ToS page has now been edited...

Please let me know if you have any more concerns...

Thanks for the fast response. I'm glad to see it was an mistake that was easily fixed.

I'll go remove the warnings on GayGeek in a few minutes. And don't be surprised if you hear from me one of these days wanting to review more of your sites. As I said, they do convert well.

--Aaron

A number of industry vets have claimed this company banged their card. Their only rebuttle was that these people are liars.

Who is yourtech101.com.. stop banging my card!
http://www.justblowme.com/showthread.php?t=100915

ArchiveCash.com bangs the shit out of peoples credit cards?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=887092

A few years ago there was also drama here involving their PrideAccess site being loaded up with stolen content from the industry's biggest names.

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ht=prideaccess

i think they changed a lot after they have been bought lately

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Originally Posted by timoxxl

i think they changed a lot after they have been bought lately

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Also, as I stated before....

We do not bang anyones credit cards or participate in any fraudulent activity...

If anyone has a question or concern, please let me know, and feel free to contact me directly - thank you :)