Quote Originally Posted by Dzinerbear View Post
First of all, in case you missed the post, I'm not a rep for any AVS. I left my full-time job in June of this year. I'm working independently just like you.

Second, I am still making money off AVS galleries that I created three years ago. I write good copy that scoops up the traffic from search engines by the bucket full. So while I agree that a gallery I created three years ago might not be pulling in much traffic from the AVS search engine (because everyone is looking for what's new) those three-year old galleries are far from dead. And all of those galleries linked together in one big hub create a "Holy Shit" factor for the surfer when they arrive at any of my galleries.

"I can not spend hours and hours on one site that will get traffic maybe for a week or less then be placed in absurdity for all time." You've got to change with the flow, Max. One of the biggest problems with AVS webmasters was so many of them always did what they always did. When their results continued to diminish instead of trying something new, they just complained that what they always did wasn't working, so it must be someone else's fault.

I can't sell a TGP membership to save my life. That doesn't make TGPs a dead duck, it just means I don't know how to make money at them. Plenty do. I just don't have the inclination or the time to figure out how to make money in the TGP market. So I don't try. For me, TGPs are "dead" like AVS is dead to you -- too many lookers, not enough buyers -- but there are still lots of people making a killing in the TGP market. God bless them.

Just like the days of filling a paysite full of leased feeds and expecting the surfers to eat it up are over. You have to spend "hours and hours" Max or you're not going to get the return. Sorry, would you buy something it took someone 15 minutes to throw together -- and looked like it? I wouldn't.

Michael
Well first off I would like to welcome you (a bit late I guess) to the dark side of things, I thought you still have one foot in and one foot out by still working with some of these AVS and companies as an advisor. But hey I have been wrong before.

I think we are taking some of the “AVS Dead” thing a bit too far, Yes I do still list sites in some AVS directories, and plan to attempt to work with a few more directly next month when I do a soft open for my affiliate program. All this said, I think the whole AVS thing has now gone down a road they will never come back from now. I just wish some of these free directories would see what AVS did and how that turned out for them, so they could stop before its too late.

What I do not understand is why they (AVS) dose not take more responsibility for this, after all when it really was a true AVS model we had a way to make sales by saying it was the “LAW” but after that edge was taken away from the affiliates the AVS companies did NOTHING to improve sales, rolled over and died. No real attempts to improve their tours, or offer more at a lower price all that stuff was forgotten in favor or blaming affiliates, ripping off surfers, and redirecting traffic.

I am with you with all this TGP stuff man, I hate it but think I will keep trying seems one of the only options that will be open to us soon.