Gay forums/events?

[Lee]

Michael,

It's well known that gay programs generally retain longer. Still some straight programs are able to pay way more and it seems to me that the high payouts per signup only come from gay programs operated by straight operators (topbucks/silvercash etc. etc).

Refering to 12 pops and 10 picture sets is adult in 1998. Point out one big straight program that fits this criteria in 2006/2007?

Basschick:
so your conclusion is that straight operators are not interested in the gay operators?

I happen to know quite a few numbers of larger operators and your argument is that surfers are unhappy. If this is the case it would result in lower retention/member value per ?
More then ever the big guys are working hard on content, they all realize that content is king. More content = higher conversion = more dollars.

Problem with the straight market is a low barrier of entry. $ 750 for ccbill/epoch, some hosting and some content does the trick. Content is more widely available and pretty much any argument there is factor 8.
8* more straight guys, 8* more content, 8* more surfers, 8* more cash hence 8* more clowns and cowboys.

On your own muscle site you use the word 'free' on the tour. After the real free trial was dropped (years ago) numbers showed that 'free tour' would increase conversion.
Reason being: surfers would get confused.
You don't find this deceptive?

Forgive me for talking down to you (as Ken puts it) but if you dont want the advice you are being given, why even bothering asking our opinions in the first place?

You've been given A LOT of good reasons why you shouldnt do a gay only Island Gathering in addition to a lot of other good advice in this thread based on our experiences, yet so far, everyone that has tried to help you has been met with negativity.

Perhaps thats another reason why you shouldnt do a gay only Island Gathering, the people that would have been your best asset in promoting the event you have now managed to turn against you.

Regards,

Lee

[fabianb]

Lee,

Pretty much the only real good reason so far has been:
-we have our island, you have yours.
-we don't need straight guys to tell us how to run our biz.

Almost any other argument I've seen so far is more about staying in the own circle then anything else.

Besides the bulk of the negative narrow minded replies I see a few open minded replies which are really thought out.
Once the thread dies out I will for use make a nice list and analyze.
Once studied I probably will come to the conclusion to invite 10-20 guys on our expense to the event and experience it and built the feedback that way.

My reactions aren't negative, just countering some arguments that don't make sense to me. Some replies pretty much say 'straight programs fuck the surfer' but on the other hand you see similar tactics on their own gay sites. Maybe he has a good reason for using this tactic,, hence the reply button.

I can't see why I make enemies here. I am having an open discussion.
15 people are allowed to have 15 different opinions?

->F

[basschick]

i do not use the word free on my tour.

and most large programs' sites suck badly. most don't make their own content - they pay others to shoot it and it mostly looks like it was done in a rush on a budget, and many sites that use the same shooters actually end up with the same models and the same locations. two of our largest programs stream their content at 300k or under and don't update most of their sites. 2 more really large programs are 100% plugin for their non reality sites. a bunch of programs also shoot around 12 episodes and then never update their sites. these things are the norm.

of the large programs, topbucks reality sites are among the very few that update and even a lot of them update only every two weeks, are mostly upsells and plugins - and their standard sites are all plugins.

as i said, i've reviewed over 1000 straight sites, and more of those sites are big programs' sites.