"I hate gay people."

[Lee]

So in your thoughts should we also admire Kramer for speaking out in a bar and dropping the 'n' bomb on people?

Its completely different, he used the word to retaliate against someone in the audience that was heckling him, not because it was something he personally beleived in... He deliberately used it as an insult whereas Hardaway wasnt trying to be insulting, he was stating his personal viewpoint on a specific topic.

If someone turned around and said the exact same thing that Hardaway said against blacks, and personally felt they beleived what they were saying then yes they should be admired for not being afraid of stating what they beleive in.

Why should anyone have to be afraid of speaking their mind or stating their personal beleifs in case they 'upset' someone else? Its ridiculous.

The USA has become a culture of political correctness gone mad, it isnt going to be long until we cant order a black coffee because it contains racial undertones in someones mind... There have already been lawsuits about this type of thing happen in the US.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

So in your thoughts should we also admire Kramer for speaking out in a bar and dropping the 'n' bomb on people?

Lee has been backed into a corner. I don't think he'll be responding to any more posts in this thread

[Lee]

i guess ya gotta appreciate that freedom of speech gives someone the right to say they hate an entire group of people.

Unless you belong in that group of people being talked about it would seem LOL

The day we stop people being able to speak their mind or state their beleifs publically is the day we do away with freedom of speech in its entirity, freedom of speech is a two-way street, it allows the good and the bad to be said without fear of reprisals.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

The USA has become a culture of political correctness gone mad, it isnt going to be long until we cant order a black coffee because it contains racial undertones in someones mind... There have already been lawsuits about this type of thing happen in the US.

Oh don't blame this on the USA Lee, political correctness has plagued ALL western cultures in the last 10-15 years, it's pathetic, and countercultures are using this to their advantage to push forward their extremist agendas.

Funny thing.. last year right before Christmas I realized here in Australia everything was "happy holidays" not "Merry Christmas!" ... it was everywhere... until I got on a flight to Hong Kong... as soon as you got on the plane you heart Christmas music, saw mistle toe over every window and the flight attendants were wearing Christmas hats!

It was then that I realized part of our Western culture which others around the world so admired, was dying, and needed to be saved. I made it a point this year to be very Christmas like, "merry christmas" everywhere I went. It was nice and people responded warmly and enthusiastically.

Have you been to London lately Lee? What a mess! Culture clashes at EVERY turn, much worse then states, so far. Same thing in France and Italy. We truly are at the beginning of a culture war.

[Lee]

It was then that I realized part of our Western culture which others around the world so admired, was dying, and needed to be saved.

So you think that your Christian religious holiday beliefs should be forced on other religious cultures for the sake of 'saving' those beliefs?

Interesting....

Because thats just what the anti-gay marriage movement is trying to do.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

So you think that your Christian religious holiday beliefs should be forced on other religious cultures for the sake of 'saving' those beliefs?

Ew yuck I'm not a christian. How dare you accuse me of such nastiness!!

Interesting....

Because thats just what the anti-gay marriage movement is trying to do.

Far reach equating a gift giving holiday with the rights of a sexually reppressed faction of our society.

[Lee]

Ew yuck I'm not a christian. How dare you accuse me of such nastiness!!

I never said you were a Christian, i said your Christian holiday beliefs... Which is EXACTLY what Christmas is, a Christian religious holiday.

Far reach equating a gift giving holiday with the rights of a sexually reppressed faction of our society.

Not at all Squirt, you want everyone to celebrate Christmas, in order to save 'Christmas' just as those who oppose gay marriage dont want gays to marry so they can save their traditional view of 'marriage'.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

I never said you were a Christian, i said your Christian holiday beliefs... Which is EXACTLY what Christmas is, a Christian religious holiday.

Actually no, you didn't. You said

So you think that your Christian religious holiday beliefs should be forced on other religious cultures for the sake of 'saving' those beliefs?

Enjoying the holiday of Christmas, Easter, Valentines Day, Martin Luther King Day, Veterans Day, President's Day, hanukkah, Mardi Gras, April Fools, St. Patricks Day, the tooth fairy, etc. etc. doesn't classify me as anything other then a human being that has a little imagination, likes to have fun, and enjoys giving to other people and sharing good times.

Not at all Squirt, you want everyone to celebrate Christmas, in order to save 'Christmas' just as those who oppose gay marriage dont want gays to marry so they can save their traditional view of 'marriage'.

Who are you to tell me what I want? I never said that I wanted to "save christmas" Oddly enough you are pushing your christian religious holiday beliefs on this board by having a Santa Claus smiley on display :santa:

I don't see a hanukkah smiley! But I do see Easter bunnies :bunny: :bunnypancake: Velentines Hearts :heartu: Christian Angeles :angel:

Yep... looks like you're backed into a corner again Lee. You've been caught pushing your chirstian religious holiday beliefs on all of us 365 days a year, catering to the religious right I see, you Christian religious holiday drug pusher you :innocent:

[Lee]

I never said that I wanted to "save christmas"

Sure looks like it to me...

I realized part of our Western culture which others around the world so admired, was dying, and needed to be saved

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

Sure looks like it to me...



Regards,

Lee

Funny how you ignore key points in pivotal posts

Oddly enough you are pushing your christian religious holiday beliefs on this board by having a Santa Claus smiley on display

I don't see a hanukkah smiley! But I do see Easter bunnies Velentines Hearts Christian Angeles

Yep... looks like you're backed into a corner again Lee. You've been caught pushing your chirstian religious holiday beliefs on all of us 365 days a year, catering to the religious right I see, you Christian religious holiday drug pusher you

[Lee]

Funny how you ignore key points in pivotal posts

Like proving you wrong you mean?

Yep... looks like you're backed into a corner again Lee. You've been caught pushing your chirstian religious holiday beliefs on all of us 365 days a year, catering to the religious right I see, you Christian religious holiday drug pusher you

You know the debate is lost when you result to name calling.

Regards,

Lee

[Squirt]

Like proving you wrong you mean?



You know the debate is lost when you result to name calling.

Regards,

Lee

Just calling a spade a spade :santa:

[XXXWriterDude]

But Squirt, they arent similar by any stretch of the imagination, thats my point, plus we arent talking about the religious zealots are we, we're talking about 'real' people who realize that stories in a 1000 year old book arent actually 'gospel'

Regards,

Lee

Lee, they absolutely ARE similar. Just because you can't tell by looking at someone that they are gay does NOT mean that gays do not suffer very similar discrimination based on something they HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. Black people didn't choose to be born black, nor did gays choose to be born gay. In that respect, they are EXTREMELY comparable.

Also, while gays do not have their own bathrooms and water fountains, they absolutely do suffer other forms of discrimination EVERY DAY.

You might not see gay people hanging from trees every day, but we have Matthew Shepard and Kevin Aviance and a whole slew of others who have been bashed or killed for being gay.

Honestly, I'm completely confounded that anyone of your (assumed) intellect could not see the similarities. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter what minority it is directed toward. It amounts to prejudice and/or hatred based on one's dislike toward a certain community of people.

The ridiculous assumption that we "haven't had it as bad" as black people is
insulting to the thousands gay youths who have committed suicide because of what they perceived to be hatred toward them for being gay.

Not all discrimination has to be visible to be real, Lee. It can merely be perceived or insinuated. We only haven't "had it as bad" because the gay rights movement has come of age in more "enlightened" times, and political correctness kind of snuck in there and shut some people up. But that does not take away from the continued hatred toward gays and lesbians that is on display every time a law is proposed to deny us simple civil rights--or that the fact that same-sex sexual activity is still illegal in certain states. I'd say that's "having it pretty bad" by anyone's standards.

Sheesh. REALLY!

[XXXWriterDude]

Its completely different, he used the word to retaliate against someone in the audience that was heckling him, not because it was something he personally beleived in... He deliberately used it as an insult whereas Hardaway wasnt trying to be insulting, he was stating his personal viewpoint on a specific topic.

I disagree, Lee. Hardaway wasn't simply "stating his personal viewpoint." If you read the news stories or hear the radio show itself, it's obvious that the second set of remarks he made--the far more serious ones--were made intentionally to assert a message. "I hate gay people, and I let it be known" says it all, too. The man was most definitely aware of what he was saying, and I have no doubt that he said it with the intention to "send a message home" to anyone who was listening--especially to gays.

[Madame0120]

Pffft! Look at the source. Hell, listen to it - nothing but pure ignorance in all it's glory.

His stupidly will live on. And in the words of the great sage, Bugs Bunny...

What a Maroon!

:bunnypancake: