You know, we'd all be a lot better off if ccbill and Epoch would move away from fear-based operations and work together. Xstr8guy and I have been doing that for a couple of years now. We run similar hubs, use the same content, even compete to sell the same AVS memberships, and yet, we help one another. If I can't have the sale, I'd rather he have it, and I know he feels the same.

Can you imagine how much money we'd all be making if ccbill and Epoch were actually sending declined traffic back and forth as a matter of course?

When you seek to put another company down, or when you try to elevate your own business at the expense of someone else's, I think it really just mean that you're not confident enough in your own product.

I'm not insulted when a surfer says Jim's site is the best hairy man site he's ever seen, doesn't bother me at all. I know that my product isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea. And that's cool.

Michael