I Have A Business Idea But What Do You Think About It...

[Lee]

Just a few people use them for 'bad' purposes? Are you serious?

Yes, totally serious.

The individuals who upload/view the stolen content are the ones at fault here, not the actual 'service' itself.

Just as Hotmail isnt to blame if a spammer uses them to send out spam, they didnt design the service so people could use it to spam, just as this idea wouldnt be designed for people to use it to view stolen content although yes, there is the possibility it would be used for that purpose, just as guns can be used to kill people, just as paracetamol can be used to kill yourself, just as cars can be used to break the law, etc.

Regards,

Lee

[Xstr8guy]

Wow Lee! You're missing the entire point here.

Why on earth would you want to promote file sharing FOR PROFIT when everyone in the industry would like to see it eradicated?! Yeah, yeah... we get it... you aren't actually supplying stolen content yourself. But you would be educating potential MEMBERS to OUR sites (sites that actually produce their own content or pay to license it) that they don't really need to pay for their porn.

This is the dumbest idea EVER for a legitimate porn webmaster to ever even consider... pure idiocy! Go to take your meds. Your delusional.

[Lee]

Wow Lee! You're missing the entire point here.

Why on earth would you want to promote file sharing FOR PROFIT when everyone in the industry would like to see it eradicated?! Yeah, yeah... we get it... you aren't actually supplying stolen content yourself. But you would be educating potential MEMBERS to OUR sites (sites that actually produce their own content or pay to license it) that they don't really need to pay for their porn.

This is the dumbest idea EVER for a legitimate porn webmaster to ever even consider... pure idiocy! Go to take your meds. Your delusional.

Im not missing the point at all....

I realize that people in the industry want filesharing gone.. The reality is that simply isnt going to happen though, not so long as sites like YouTube continue to dominate the webs top destinations in terms of traffic, and even without sites like YouTube, XTube, etc, surfers are still going to end up looking for free porn from those types of sites, just as they had before all these *tube* sites arrived.

*MY* point that everyone seems to be missing is that, if surfers are going to be looking for these types of sites *ANYWAY* why shouldnt WE try and make some money off them?

Embrace the technology as an industry, just like they are doing in mainstream and actually profit from it, rather than losing money from it.

Regards,

Lee

[Xstr8guy]

Im not missing the point at all....

I realize that people in the industry want filesharing gone.. The reality is that simply isnt going to happen though, not so long as sites like YouTube continue to dominate the webs top destinations in terms of traffic, and even without sites like YouTube, XTube, etc, surfers are still going to end up looking for free porn from those types of sites, just as they had before all these *tube* sites arrived.

*MY* point that everyone seems to be missing is that, if surfers are going to be looking for these types of sites *ANYWAY* why shouldnt WE try and make some money off them?

Embrace the technology as an industry, just like they are doing in mainstream and actually profit from it, rather than losing money from it.

Regards,

Lee

I know you want us to think you've had one of those 'lightbulb' moments. But if you truly thought this was a good idea and weren't just blowing smoke up our asses, you would have kept it to yourself.

Btw, this idea is so stupid on so many levels, it's hard for me to compose my thoughts in a coherent manner.

Filesharers aren't likely to pay for ANYTHING EVER. So you aren't actually trying to convert filesharing traffic into paying consumers. You are taking PAYING consumers and trying to convert them into filesharers.

Yeah, super idea. :haha:

[Lee]

Filesharers aren't likely to pay for ANYTHING EVER.

Thats actually not true, P2P traffic is converting amazingly right now

Regards,

Lee

[Xstr8guy]

I'm locking this thread.

[Squirt]

*MY* point that everyone seems to be missing is that, if surfers are going to be looking for these types of sites *ANYWAY* why shouldnt WE try and make some money off them?

You are so off base

The point that *EVERYONE* is *NOT* missing is the fact that you want to profit off people looking for these types of sites and making it easier for them to dowload Gay porn content you categorize off the pirate sites/services.

I know you're doing this for post count but really, you can do so much better. At least put an effort into something really controversial, not something that makes you look like those people you've banned. Try harder Lee!

[gaybucks_chip]

Lee,

It sounds more like you have an idea you've decided on doing and are looking to justify it, rather than actually listening to what people are saying.

If you (or someone else) goes forward with this plan, and it's successful, you'll make a bunch of money providing access to content stolen from everyone else on this board who runs a site, produces content, or otherwise makes money from legitimately licensing content to members.

You can justify it by saying that others are doing it, or there are other ways to get the same info, or whatever, but that argument is weak; most people on this board, including you, were arguing against promoting the questionable eastern european sites that appear to contain CP, yet if we followed the same logic, we could say that someone is going to make those sales off of that (probably illegal) content so it might as well be you.

Likewise, a similar analogy can be drawn to the recent .xxx petition. If passed, it would have eventually forced .xxx down the throats of everyone and enriched or benefitted no one except ICM Registry, who would have owned the .xxx TLD. The industry was opposed to it because it was essentially theft (of valid .com domain names, which would eventually cease to be useful for adult content) that enriched one company.

If you're bound and determined to do it, have at it... but you probably *will* alienate most of the regular contributors to your board, sponsors to your sites, etc.

I echo the comments of the others; I personally wouldn't go anywhere near it.

[Alex_Manifest_M]

If I am forced to drive a getaway car at the point of a gun my actions are not criminal. However, if I build a super-fast amoured car, buy myself a bullet proof vest, then paint TERRA-FAST GETWAY CAR SERVICE and hang around outside banks because there is no way for me to stop bank robberies so I might as well make some money of it makes me a an accessory (and I don't mean gloves, hats and shoes).

Nobody likes to make money more then me, but I just can't get my arms around this idea.

[Lee]

It sounds more like you have an idea you've decided on doing and are looking to justify it, rather than actually listening to what people are saying.

Chip,.

Thats just it, im actually not, after the first post i decided this was something i wasnt going to do LOL

My point is though, if these types of places (filesharing, p2p etc) are around and are going to stay around, why cant we profit them, what makes profiting from them 'wrong'?

It almost seems like everyone thinks these places are bad, just by mearly mentioning their name, ive never seen anyone say anything bad against YouTube, LimeWire, etc until now and then it was only because someone was discussing a way that we could ALL make money from these types of service.

Regards,

Lee

[Lee]

As i said a few posts up.. P2P is here to stay...

MARINA DEL REY, Calif. --(Business Wire)-- Digicorp, Inc. (OTCBBGCO) announced today that it is launching a new advertising service for online music to be delivered via its web portal Beat9.com. The new service will utilize Digicorp's ViraCast technology to dynamically insert advertising into music files wherever and however they travel across the Internet. Digicorp offers both music labels and advertisers an immediate opportunity to tap into the power of peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, which accounts for 60% of all web traffic.

1720 Entertainment, whose conventional CD distribution is handled by Vivendi's (VIVEF) Universal Music Group, has signed an ad revenue sharing deal with Digicorp for viral, P2P distribution of songs and music videos. The first 1720 tracks to be launched will be from ELVIS WHITE with Akon, Alison Hinds, and Rissi Palmer, whose "Country Girl" is in the Top Ten on MySpace. The ad-supported music will be available free on Apple's (AAPL) iTunes and on file sharing sites like LimeWire and BitTorrent. The downloaded ViraCast music files will be locked, preventing transfer onto mp3 players and encouraging legal music sales for portability.

"We are very excited about our partnership with Beat9," stated 1720 President/CEO, Terry K. Johnson. "Their P2P technology is superior to anything we've seen, and the advertising component is the real icing on the cake. The 1720 new media model aligns perfectly with the viral marketing solutions of Digicorp."


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With illegal music downloads still dwarfing legal online purchases, Digicorp gives music labels the ability to harness the power of P2P, instead of fighting it. Each music file is constantly served ads, so the more it is shared and viewed, the more revenue is generated.

"Consumers can now be encouraged to download and share music videos with as many people as possible," commented Digicorp CEO, Jay Rifkin. "Music companies can now exchange costly litigation for revenue generation."

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/05/24/2656416.htm

Tribler is a BitTorrent client that attempts to combine the social aspects of online communities with the traditional components of the torrent app. Tribler uses an Amazon-style recommendations engine to offer suggestions and also allows users to get recommendations from trusted friends.

Tribler is the first torrent client I’ve seen that attempts to take torrent searching beyond the basic search engine model. In some respects Tribler reminds me of old school P2P apps like Napster or even Limewire, but with a web 2.0-like twist.

The social aspects of Tribler won’t appeal to everyone, but for those who find the task of searching and finding torrent files daunting, Tribler does indeed make it easier to find what you want.

Tribler also aggregates content from sources most torrent clients don’t, like YouTube videos. And, according the Holland-based company behind Tribler, the app will include more content from other web sources in the future.

Some people might worry about a torrent client that tracks what they download and uses that information to make suggestions, but according to the normally quite paranoid folks at TorrentFreak, Tribler “is the first P2P system which has merged online friends and a sense of community without using any central server.”

In other words there is no central repository of data for the RIAA to subpoena. Of course, from what I could tell, Tribler doesn’t seem to support encryption which is too bad.

Tribler is available for Mac, Windows and Linux.

Tribler is nice, though a bit bulky. The Mac OS X version I tested weighed in at a hefty 257 MBs and even without any running downloads it grabbed nearly a 100 MBs of RAM.

If you’re looking for a more social way to find torrents, or you just miss the community aspects of the old style P2P networks, you’ll probably enjoy Tribler.

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/20...r_bittorr.html

Hollywood execs reportedly got all giddy when they heard about the P2P-powered Vudu box. The jury is still out on Vudu’s actual chances in the market place, but the device is a good example for a growing trend of P2P leaving the safe and boring world of the desktop P2P.

There are tons of non-PC devices out there that offer media swapping and P2P streaming capabilities. Some of these features are part of a commercial offering, others are the result of some good old tinkering. Some of this stuff is still in early development, other solutions have been in use for years. Some implementations are pretty obvious, others might surprise you.


The P2P set top box. Santa Clara-based Vudu Inc. is working on a device that utilizes P2P streaming to deliver video rentals on demand directly to your TV. The service has been dubbed “instant NetFlix.” But will people really pay 300 bucks just to be able to pay more for each movie they watch?

The BitTorrent cell phone. Hungarian researchers have developed a BitTorrent application for Symbian-based smart phones, complete with an integrated tracker and the ability to use private torrent sites. Too bad the constant data transfer is likely to eat up your battery life in no time.

The Emule cell phone. Developers of the open source eDonkey offspring eMule have found a solution to these battery problems years ago. MobileMule remotely controls downloads from your phone while your PC does the heavy lifting. The Java-based application even offers previews for downloaded video clips by sending single video frames as pictures to your phone.

The P2P PS3. Rumor has it Sony is working on integrating P2P video sharing into its new Second Life-like PS3 community called Home. The service is supposed to allow commercial video downloads as well as the exchange of user-generated content. Sony does have the technology to do something like this after buying P2P video-sharing community Grouper in August 2006. But they also know it ain’t easy: Grouper got sued by Universal Music in October.

The BitTorrent router. You got a device that’s connected to the internet 24/7, featuring a strong-enough processor do run some basic apps, plus direct access to network attached storage? Why don’t you just install BitTorrent on it? That’s exactly what Asus did.

Speaking of storage: QNAP’s network attached storage servers also feature an embedded version of the official BitTorrent client.

Apple Torrent TV. It was only a question of time before someone tried this. There’s no solution available for the masses yet, but it looks like people are working on it.

Apple Joost. Also inevitable: A hack that brings you P2P-powered TV streaming in your living room and makes for lots of silly puns. Tutorial Ninjas have a detailed step by step guide.

The Lamabox. A Dutch company is selling this P2P set top box that downloads content via BitTorrent and the eDonkey network. It’s basically a glorified media center PC, and it’s costing at least as much: The top-end model, featuring a DVD burner and 500 GB hard disk space, sets you back $785.

The Xtorrentbox. Don’t want to spend that much? Then just get a used Xbox for 100 bucks on eBay and make use of the Xbox Media Center. There are some great tutorials for using the Xbox together with your PC for BitTorrent downloads, and there are even some experimental scripts that allow direct torrent downloading straight to the box.

http://newteevee.com/2007/05/06/ten-...er-saw-coming/

So, when companies such as Apple, Sony, Microsoft, CBS, etc are embracing P2P and filesharing, why arent we as an industry?

There used to be a time that the adult industry led the way in all this new 'web' technology, instead it appears we have become stagnant in a pond that is quickly growing in to an ocean when it comes to the web.

Those coule of stories are just a small selection of what is showing to be an emerging business practice in the non-adult world...

http://news.google.com/news?um=1&tab...nG=Search+News

So again, i just dont understand, if companies like Sony and Apple can profit from these types of networks, why cant we?

Regards,

Lee

[Dzinerbear]

I guess im having a hard time seeing why everyone would have a problem with a company profiting from something that NOBODY is currently able to profit from, then again, maybe that is the issue.

I think the problem with this is that just because it's out there for the taking doesn't mean anyone should profit from it. Showing people where to buy brand new iPods that may or may not be real, knock-offs, stolen, or which "fell" off a truck, only encourages people to supply that market, i.e. steal more iPods or push them off the backs of trucks or make fake iPods.

I've often thought it would be a cool service to allow people to call a toll-free number and get hooked up with party favours in a town their visiting. I can't tell you how many times I've been sitting in my hotel room at a conference wanting to score some E or Special K. It would be so much easier if I could Dial-a-Dealer, if you will.

The success of Titan in recuperating lost revenues from pirates in the courts, proves that the courts support the notion that if you don't own it, you can't profit from it. The fact that so many more companies don't go the Titan route is really only a financial issue, in my mind. Most companies out there aren't willing to give up a huge percentage of their bottom line to police and chase theft.

Aside from all of this, you would be showing "virgin" surfers the way to get all of their porn without paying and supporting networks that already profit in some way off its distritubution.

Michael

[basschick]

i'd talk to chad about this before going ahead with i. as i understand it, to benefit from stollen stuff is illegal.

[Lee]

i'd talk to chad about this before going ahead with i. as i understand it, to benefit from stollen stuff is illegal.

But what about benefitting from the content that ISNT stolen? The content that companies put on these networks themselves in order to get traffic and brand recognition, the companies who actually want p2p traffic going to their sites?

Everyone seems to be concentrating on the fact that there is stolen/pirated content on the p2p networks, which there is, however, there is also a vast amount of legitimate content on them to that companies have actually put there for branding purposes, what about that content?

Regards,

Lee

[Alex_Manifest_M]

Yes, giants like sony may be 'giddy' at the prospect, but until I can sell very expensive ads for Coca-Cola and Trojans placed in my jo clips, this does nothing but negative things for me.

I can barely negotiate product placement as it is.