Charles Barkley ~ Gay marriage ~ CNN WOW!

[deanb]

CNN and MSNBC also glazed over the fact that Obama has paid over $690,000 to super delegates, most of which support him now.

Do you have a source on this? I have a political blog that I would love to include this on.

[deanb]

Do you have a source on this? I have a political blog that I would love to include this on.

Nevermind, google is my friend! Got any more? HEHE, haven't seen you on ICQ in a while.

[MiamiB]

The "election" is a JOKE! Bush ran the country into the ground and his election was a shady scam on the American people.

Do you think it will change now?

Wake up and smell the oil people. Why waste your time with thread?

Nothing is changing...

You have no control...

You have no voice.,,

You are controlled and played.

Lee

[jIgG]

It's ironic that Fox news is covering Hillary more than Obama. (Don't know that that is true..haven't been watching those channels..but seems to be the consensus here).

not really
Rupert Murdoch held a fund raiser for her.

If anyone thinks Hillary or Bill are liberals I got a bridge on the moon for sale

[rdynow]

not really
Rupert Murdoch held a fund raiser for her.

If anyone thinks Hillary or Bill are liberals I got a bridge on the moon for sale

If most of her positions are not liberal I would love to know your definition of liberal.

[rdynow]

Do you have a source on this? I have a political blog that I would love to include this on.

This fact was wildely reported on the national news last week.

[Mansized]

I am with Squirt on this one. This election is complete bullshit. I am pro-Hillary, but was kinda leaning towards, well I will vote for Obama if he goes to the general election. That all changed when he had the arrogance to say that he is certain he could get every vote Hillary could get, but she couldn't do the same. From that one speech, I don't care if I have a choice between pro-life, anti gay marriage Mike Huckabee and Obama, I will NOT vote for Obama. If it is between electing Bush to a third term (I know, it cannot happen), and Obama, I will be voting for Bush.

First if you look at Barack Obama's voting record, its very clear, he has a record of not voting. Serious issues that need to be voted on, he doesn't vote. He has been in the US senate for 3 years, and spent over a year of that time campaigning for another office. He has little to no experience, it would be like promoting a data entry clerk to CEO of a fortune 500 company, it just doesn't happen.

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EDIT: Sorry to be so blunt here, but you think that Hillary can unite the republican party, wait until you have a black man running. They will be out voting in HUGE number for the GOP. Obama also hasn't experienced the Republican attack machine, he says he is ready because he faced the Clinton's, fact is, every time the Clinton's attack him, he, and the media, pull out the race card. In the general election, it won't work, the GOP will not care how much he screams race.

</rant> really this time!

Politics are already so dirty..but they can even get dirtier (hard to believe but true!).

We know that if Hillary gets the nomination, it's going to be "suckgate" all over again (The Republicans HATE the Clintons with such tenacity and just won't let go of Monica and company "He lied". Yeah he lied..about a blow job, but not about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION etc etc etc!)

Ok..I ranted that time Dean....and got off my message.

My fear is that if Obama gets the nomination, it's really going to bring out all the latent racism to the forfront..the Republicans know how to get down and dirty on someone and how to instill fear in people. And you know that they will do everything they can to instill fear in white people about a black man becoming their leader!

[Squirt]

This fact was wildely reported on the national news last week.

You wouldn't know it searching CNN News for paid superdelegate or
paid super delegate as far as I can tell, it was never covered by them and I didn't see it on any of their reports.

This kind of biased reporting is really going to hurt the Dem. party in the upcoming election. imo

[Squirt]

Nevermind, google is my friend! Got any more? HEHE, haven't seen you on ICQ in a while.

Yeah where there's always the "I wont take money from lobbyist, and they should be evicted from the white house, but I'll have them work for my campaign and take money from companies that employ them"

The Reps. are going to call him on every one of his contradictions.

Oh and I came across democraticunderground.com ... cool site to talk politics!

[Squirt]

My fear is that if Obama gets the nomination, it's really going to bring out all the latent racism to the forfront..the Republicans know how to get down and dirty on someone ...

It's already started Barack the magic negro via Rush Limbaugh. It starts about two minutes into the video. It's all absolutely racist, degrading and disgusting.

It was inspiring to hear Obama on CSPAN tonight talking about using Gay people and immigrants as scapegoats for your own problems. Also his deputy campaign director, Steve Hildebrand, is openly Gay and is in a committed relationship.

But for me, Obama has a LOT of convincing to do and his record of not voting in the senate so many times is a record of someone NOT voting for change, because he opted NOT to vote so many times. That's someone stepping back from change for fear of ruining his chances for a presidential run :thumbsup:

[rdynow]

If google paid super delegates you will see alot regard the super delegates. For correct facts just read what the major newspapers and tv outlets are reporting.

I asked the question before are the dems going to have a brokered convention?

How far will chillery go to screw over obama?

Last question isn't paying the super delegates the same as buying votes? If that's legal I want some cash too!

[Squirt]

Last question isn't paying the super delegates the same as buying votes? If that's legal I want some cash too!

LOL same here!

The reason the press is pushing super delegates all of a sudden, and questioning their validity, is because the LOVE Obama, and the super delegates are currently the only thing that can stop him from being the nominee.

Interesting eh?

[krunnch]

Obama really says nothing, and that's probably a smart approach to getting elected. Reagan did it all on charisma, and Obama knows that.

But hey, we are debating an election between an old white guy and either a woman or a black man. Hello, is that a bad thing ?

And Charles is my new hero of the day....

[deanb]

Obama really says nothing, and that's probably a smart approach to getting elected. Reagan did it all on charisma, and Obama knows that.

But hey, we are debating an election between an old white guy and either a woman or a black man. Hello, is that a bad thing ?

And Charles is my new hero of the day....

I liked what Bill Clinton said about Obama. He said that Obama has an advantage from not having experience, no one doesn't like him yet. LOL

[djdez]

Oh god, where do I start? Well Dean and Squirt - we are on the exact same page here!! Dean, please email me your blog. Would love to read it.

Last week I went to dinner with a friend of mine. He originally supported Edwards and is now supporting Obama. By the end of the night he was so pissed that I was called a racist. Bottom line is that I felt Hillary & Bill got swiftboated in South Carolina and Barack not only sat back and watched it happened he added fuel to the fire. President Clintons remark that Barack's campaign was a fairytale in no way was a shot at race. Anyone with an IQ of 50 would understand he was talking about his positions since Barack hasn't voted for anything ... well because the 5 minutes before were on just that topic.

Thats when I lost all respect for Barack. He is now the polarizing figure. Here is yet another example. David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Obama said yesterday on facethenation that if Obama wins the pledged delegates but ends up losing because of super delegates that the black community will rise up and you will have riots. The black community will not allow this election to be stolen from them.

So this just confirms what I've thought all along. This isn't about electing the best nomineee who will be the best president. This is about the african american community so desperate to have a black president they're willing to settle for second best in order to get it.

I'm sorry, but this is exactly why we, the democratic party, puts so much weight on the super delegates. This about following rules. The rules state the super delegates should be free to select who they think is best for the party. Threatening super delegates with riots, party division, and voter disenfranchisement is NOT an act of unity.

Speaking of following the rules and voter disenfranchisment... it just makes my skin crawl everytime I hear an obama supporter bring up following the rules with Michigan and Florida. Give me a fuckin' break! Hillary did follow the rules that were agreed upon. She did not campaign. Yet she still won by 20% of the vote. It made me sick watching MSNBC act all bewildered when she gave a victory speach. Millions of people voted for her and she shouldn't claim victory? Get real! The only reason Barack pulled his name off the ballot in Michigan is because he knew he would lose. He tried to pull his name in Florida but wasn't allowed to. Ha, nice try! The biggest fairy tale is that the candidates always expected that Florida and Michigan delegates would be seated. There is no way that they can afford to disenfranchise those voters. But now that they actually matter... good grief. You don't have to be superman to see through this bullshit rhetoric.

I just laugh whenever I hear, Barack is polling better than Hillary against McCain or that Barack is ready for the general election fight because Hillary's run an agressive campaign. Are you freaking kidding me??? John Kerry was 15 points ahead of Bush this time 4 years ago. We all know how that ended. Each time Hillary says the slightest thing that is a negative against Barack, she gets berated for 'going negative'. Agressive my ass! Kid gloves is more like it. Barack is gonna get slammed in the general. C'mon folks there is a reason Joe Scarborough and the other republican pundits are gleafully excited about running against Barack. I've said it before, its gonna be like Christmas for them. if we end up nominating this man, come July we're gonna wake up from our fairy tale endused drunken stupor and say oh fuck what did we do!