would you buy a website

[abostonboy]

99% of the people that buy these turnkey sites never make a dime. In fact most lose even more when they start buying traffic for them. That's the problem. The "newbies" that buy these have no idea how to get traffic to them.

Seriously, lets say I design an asian site on a domain and sell it to someone. Chances are that person is a newbie (otherwise he would have a designer design one for him). He wont make a dime off the thing.

So many people have lost money off expansive turnkey sites that it isn't funny,

Newbies tend to buy them and they are the ones that have absolutely no idea what to do with them after they buy them.

[deanb]

99% of the people that buy these turnkey sites never make a dime. In fact most lose even more when they start buying traffic for them. That's the problem. The "newbies" that buy these have no idea how to get traffic to them.

Seriously, lets say I design an asian site on a domain and sell it to someone. Chances are that person is a newbie (otherwise he would have a designer design one for him). He wont make a dime off the thing.

So many people have lost money off expansive turnkey sites that it isn't funny,

Newbies tend to buy them and they are the ones that have absolutely no idea what to do with them after they buy them.

I can understand where you are coming from here, that it would be more likely to be bought by a newbie, there for it would be more likely that they wouldn't make any money.

It would probably be a better business model to get the site working, and get some links and traffic flowing through it and then sell it. Not only would it be worth more money, but it would cost more, so a more experienced person would buy it.

[abostonboy]

It would probably be a better business model to get the site working, and get some links and traffic flowing through it and then sell it. Not only would it be worth more money, but it would cost more, so a more experienced person would buy it.

Right on. Why sell a site to someone that will probably never make a dime off it? Develop it and sell it for more.

Looking at some of the turnkey sites on Ebay. I like videogames, but I also know the market very well as I have an Ebay business selling them. I can tell you right off the bat that the turnkey video games sites will never make 99% of those that buy them one single penny. In fact most will lose even more $$$ trying to make money off them.

Turnkey sites were the rage like 5 years ago in this biz. It died for a reason. No one was making money.

Ask some of these guys how much they made -
http://www.gaysites4sale.com/index.html

[IdolKnights]

lloyd - my question was mainly because I'm seeing more and more designer sites add pre-built, buy and go templates.

It made me think of turnkeys and wanted to see if people would pick up the pre-built if they were attached to domains. Or, if it was just better to have a storage of pre-bult designs where people can edit the text as they need, chance the css and page color if they want the design but need it blue, not green.

[abostonboy]

lloyd - my question was mainly because I'm seeing more and more designer sites add pre-built, buy and go templates.

It made me think of turnkeys and wanted to see if people would pick up the pre-built if they were attached to domains. Or, if it was just better to have a storage of pre-bult designs where people can edit the text as they need, chance the css and page color if they want the design but need it blue, not green.

so you are looking to do like monster templates?

The domain name and design are only a small part of a site. There has to be content or some way to make money. When you add content, the costs really rise. Or if its a doorway site to a revenue source (dating etc) then one has to rely on that for income.

The hard part that I see is most that buy these don't have the experience in marketing to make any money.

[IdolKnights]

so you are looking to do like monster templates?

The domain name and design are only a small part of a site. There has to be content or some way to make money. When you add content, the costs really rise. Or if its a doorway site to a revenue source (dating etc) then one has to rely on that for income.

The hard part that I see is most that buy these don't have the experience in marketing to make any money.

yes and no (monster templates)

yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.

But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.

But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.

Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.

[abostonboy]

yes and no (monster templates)

yes in that they have buy and go templates. No in that it's all they do.

But with the same example, they link off to other sites for your other needs. If we used your content example, one could link to maxpixels or other content site.

But I agree, there needs to be more to the business model for it to be something worth looking at. For my AND for the buyer.

Not in my future plans but fluff talk at the moment. Just to see if I should put it in my plans as something to look further into.

Gotta get some sleep. i think I just don't understand what you really are trying to sell. But I think you maybe sitting on inventory (domains/designs) until you find a buyer. That maybe something that you would have to see if it was worth the investment of time and money. Monster templates can make a decent ROI in that they sell more than one of each template and have quite a few to choose from,so somebody can usually find something they like.

But, design is the one element that can make or break a site. I have seen and marketed what i thought was the BEST designed sites, only to find that I couldn't sell them at all. Designs get tweaked all the time to make better conversions. That something you would have to keep in mind I guess.

lloyd

[abostonboy]

lloyd - my question was mainly because I'm seeing more and more designer sites add pre-built, buy and go templates.

It made me think of turnkeys and wanted to see if people would pick up the pre-built if they were attached to domains. Or, if it was just better to have a storage of pre-bult designs where people can edit the text as they need, chance the css and page color if they want the design but need it blue, not green.

What do these designs lead to? A paysite? If it's a paysite, then the design is a minimal cost. The content is the most expensive. IMHO sites that rely on cheap content (plugins) are pretty much dead. If one can afford the content startup costs then one could afford their own designer otherwise they really shouldn't be in this business.

[deanb]

This thread really has 2 completely different directions.

[abostonboy]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

[deanb]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

He isn't talking about paysites, or TGP/MGP. Its hard to explain, Craig can. LOL

[Squirt]

Getting back on topic. I MIGHT see this work for TGP/MGP and WP designs. If we are talking adult.

Show me a good TGP/MGP design with a good domain name and I am interested. Same with a good domain and a killer WP theme.

But a paysite design that I then have to go get content for and I would be better doing it myself.

Depends on what you are selling i guess.

If it's anything like I was provided through Craig aka Happysucks aka SappyHucks aka IdolNights or his designer friend Mcnasty aka Megachops aka Dru then it would look like this if it's a different scheme with him then I have no idea, but I'd be weary of what you'll get for your hard earned money. $0.02

[deanb]

If it's anything like I was provided through Craig aka Happysucks aka SappyHucks aka IdolNights or his designer friend Mcnasty aka Megachops aka Dru then it would look like this if it's a different scheme with him then I have no idea, but I'd be weary of what you'll get for your hard earned money. $0.02

Really Squirt this is all getting old, and everyone here knows Craig didn't rip you off. Lay off of it.