Bareback vs. Condom Use

[deanb]

Derek is stating facts. The initial post was not to tear others, it was an explanation of what extremes producers or webmasters will do to gain they're traffic and product conversions. We have a great traffic flow. Most, of which was stated is a fact. You can do the research on the internet.

This is a website geared towards affiliates to speak about what programs work, what programs do not, what sells, what doesnt, and how much money they made. Very rare you learn something entirely new. Posting what was stated was not a gain to monetize further traffic flows. It would be pointless. The post was speaking of the extremes producers go through and to know the product prior to promoting the product.

Your statement regarding our movies is neither here nor there. :jerkoff: We hold and have full control of where our movies are placed. We do just fine without DVDs distributed or placed all over the markets.
This business is not hurting in any situation, we are probably stronger than ever.

Derek, you need to cease from posting on this board. Posting anything whether it be good, bad, excellent advice or evil advise is pointless.

Is Derek even a real person? Are you? :high: :high:

[Lee]

Also, I think that Lee and Titan have both eloquently stated the issue; these days it's less about showing "natural" sex and more about showing some guy shitting cum out of his ass, or other "extreme" content. I guess some people find it "hot" but all I think of when I see bareback content is somebody being unnecessarily put at risk.

Agreed, when we first launched Retro Male on Condom Cash a few people went around saying it was a 'bareback' site purely because it featured some sets that didnt include condom use in the members area however, once they were given a login to actually see what was included, they soon realized that 'pre-condom' and 'bareback' were two totally different things.

Every so often ill still have an affiliate signup and do a blog post about how Condom Cash is an 'anti-bareback' program and that i shouldnt have Retro Male as part of our portfolio but these individuals are few and far between and really dont bother me these days as much as they used to.

Even saying that, a lot of the 60s and 70's content we have inside Retro Male actually does feature guys practicing safe sex.

Regards,

Lee

[philb]

Derek is stating facts. The initial post was not to tear others, it was an explanation of what extremes producers or webmasters will do to gain they're traffic and product conversions. We have a great traffic flow. Most, of which was stated is a fact. You can do the research on the internet.

I mis-stated and I should have elaborated more. The Michael Lucas issue, I was not a witness of the situation as I was not there.
I cannot vouch for Michael Lucas, and as a part of a owner and operator of Sebastian's Studios, INC. I am offering a public apology on this topic on behalf of Derek.

The shows or public arenas, I cannot say. I won't waste money on a show. I would rather invest the money into a CD. I apologize for this action as well if anyone was offended...

The initial point of the topic was focused primarily upon the shadiness of webmasters who will see that something sells or markets well, the webmaster will create false pretenses that the product sells or what the consumer(s) gains from the product or website. Once the consumer sale goes through for his purchase, he doesn't receive what he wants, and it's lost the affiliate the money of promoting that site and there's a possible chargeback.

Those were his only intentions, some things were said, some were true, some I cannot say for sure were true, as I don't know the facts.

I am a live person. I am not here to fight with anyone. I don't have the time for it. I am here to make an attempt to resolve and remidy the situation due to the extreme paths the thread took.

[philb]

Furthermore... Sebastian's Studios, INC. sincerely apologizes for the false and misleading comments concerning Michael Lucas previously posted by Derek. Derek's employment has been terminated for having posted the false and misleading allegation that Michael Lucas was present at or participated in any barebacking activity. We sincerely apologize to Michael Lucas personally for any harm we may have caused to him or to his reputation, and we also apologize to the readers for having disrespected them by the publication of such false and malicious statements.

I have sent requests to Lee to have this entire thread removed. Due to the GWW policies posted within this internet website, this is not allowed.

Truly,
Phil B.
Sebastian's Studios, INC.

[gaybucks_chip]

I thought Derek was part owner of Sebastian's Studios?

[philb]

No sir, never. The only corporate officials for Sebastian's Studios, INC are:
JJ Ruch, President
Travis Reichert, Vice President
Justin Bradley, Secretary
Justin Bradley, Treasurer

I was the Vice President. I sold my shares back into the company mid-last month and stepped back as my other job does not allow employees to enlist on the E.S.O.S. as corporate officials.
Last month, JJ became sick with Cancer. With the appropriate contracts in place and the guidance of an attorney, I am permitted to act and make legal decisions with this company.

No one other than the names mentioned have been an official or share holder of this corporation.

[Rich]

i agree with titan and lee as well most bareback movies and pics today are done because they people making them want to look cool by having guys shit loads of cum out of their butts not because it is erotic unlike older porn from precondom age

[rawTOP]

The issue i have with bareback vs. pre-condom is that in my eyes (and im sure there are people who will disagree with my views on this) pre-condom isnt actually 'as bad' as bareback because back in the 70's and 80's and before, pre-condom sex was considered the 'norm' and was not produced to illicit a response from the surfer/viewer.

The difference between pre-condom and bareback is that the guys you see in pre-condom were probably going to die within 5 years due to the type of sexual activity you see on screen. In comparison the guys in bareback (even the ones taking 50 or 100 loads) are probably going to be alive in 20 years. How you get that that pre-condom isn't as bad is beyond me.

You can't compare pulling out back then with taking loads now. It's WAY safer to take loads now than pull out back then.

That said, pre-condom porn that was shot before say '82 really didn't understanding the implications of what they were shooting and can sorta be excused. However 'pre-condom' went until about '89 before it died out. All the stuff shot in the mid and late 80s was shot at a time where people knew full well the risks of what they were shooting.

I recently wrote an essay for Carnal Nation about barebacking and purposely wrote it from an objective view. This is the pull quote they highlighted:

"In the debate between free speech and zero tolerance for unsafe sex, both sides feel they own the moral high ground."

Let me know what you think.

http://sf.carnalnation.com/content/1...cs-barebacking

I think if you're going to quote me so heavily you could have given me credit.

[Lee]

However 'pre-condom' went until about '89 before it died out. All the stuff shot in the mid and late 80s was shot at a time where people knew full well the risks of what they were shooting.

Which as already explained, isnt true pre-condom, it was bareback content if it was produced after '82/'83 because studios knew what the risks were but didnt care.... Much like many still dont care today.

Regards,

Lee

[hdkbill]

Is Derek even a real person? Are you? :high: :high:

Dean,

That's an interesting thought isn't it and I know you know the answer to it.

I've purposely restrained from joining in on this argument as the original poster has made claims that at the least show a great deal of lack of understanding of the industry as well as making statements that, could, liable him to civil action.

We've hashed all the issues before and have never resolved anything. Everyone has some very good points, but minds are not going to be changed on this issue.

Bill

[tim460]

I'm learning a lot from this thread. Many surprising twists in the thread to me as the naive newbie. Picking up lots of insights into many things, even if they were about unfortunate situations. Those are important to know, too.

[hdkbill]

No sir, never. The only corporate officials for Sebastian's Studios, INC are:
JJ Ruch, President
Travis Reichert, Vice President
Justin Bradley, Secretary
Justin Bradley, Treasurer

I was the Vice President. I sold my shares back into the company mid-last month and stepped back as my other job does not allow employees to enlist on the E.S.O.S. as corporate officials.
Last month, JJ became sick with Cancer. With the appropriate contracts in place and the guidance of an attorney, I am permitted to act and make legal decisions with this company.

No one other than the names mentioned have been an official or share holder of this corporation.

And Phil, you asking us to believe that JJ and Derek are not the same guy, and now "Derek" has been "fired" because of the comments made in this thread? And, that your employer is aware of, and approved of, you "acting and making legal decisions" for Sebastian's Studios, Inc. and they are aware of the "appropriate contracts in place" with the guidance of an attorney?

Very interesting.

Bill

[tim460]

What my last thread was supposed to say but my editing went past the alloted time:

I'm learning a lot from this thread. Many surprising twists in the thread to me as the naive newbie. Picking up lots of insights into many things, even if they were about unfortunate situations. Those are important to know, too.

And on that note... When I previously wrote that I was not surprised about Derek's reports, that doesn't mean I necessary believe in any of the comments about specific individuals made by Derek. I did not and do not promote Derek's specific comments about particular individuals. After all, I don't even know these people and certainly wasn't "there." I was only adding what I wrote about, that I knew someone among my own friends who barebacked while handing out condoms. Now I realize it wasn't even worth saying that, since it was totally irrelevant and beside the point. So I'm outta this thread, since it has nothing to do with me. But it's interesting to read.

[hdkbill]

I'm learning a lot from this thread. Many surprising twists in the thread to me as the naive newbie. Picking up lots of insights into many things, even if they were about unfortunate situations. Those are important to know, too.

Yes, if you are going to be a success in any industry, the more you know about it, the better chance you have of being successful.

As I tell newbies, God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. And, it really applies to all of us. We should be listening (reading) twice as much as we talk. Remember, once you say it (type it), it can't be taken back.

Good luck Tim,

Bill

[Lee]

Remember, once you say it (type it), it can't be taken back.

Unless you are a moderator LOL

But yeah, words to live by, never post anything on a message board you dont want to remain there for the rest of your life.

Regards,

Lee