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Originally Posted by hdkbill

I'm guessing, like most everyone is, we probably know who was behind this...but, let's not jump to conclusions and wait and see how this plays out.
Bill

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I don't think we do know who was behind this, and if you're saying "let's not jump to conclusions", then how about not making snarky comments implying just that.

The attorney for Brent and Grant was reported in the news media as saying that, as far as he knew, his clients were in San Diego the night of the murder. That would make it very difficult for them to simultaneously be 2,000 miles away. My understanding from the news articles is that the information they have relates to having spoken to Bryan on the phone and Bryan mentioning that someone was coming over for a photo shoot. That's a far cry from being in Dallas, PA at the time of the murder.

Look at the situation. The lawsuit was ugly, a lot of nasty things were said by both sides. So obviously Grant and Brent (Sean) would be on the suspect list. ANYONE with an ounce of sense would want competent counsel before saying anything to the police in a situation like this, whether or not they were innocent. You don't have to watch too many episodes of "Law and Order" to figure that out.

Additionally, the lawsuit had been settled. It would have made a lot more sense to take Bryan out before the suit was settled than to do so after, when the settlement (which apparently had a significant portion of future earnings for Sean's site going to Cobra) was signed and would be binding even after Bryan's death.

Is it possible that Grant and/or Sean hired somebody to do this? Sure. Is there any evidence whatsoever that any of us in the GWW community have indicating this? No.

As such, reckless comments like "I'm guessing we probably know who did this" are irresponsible. There's enough drama in the situation already. Let's not feed the fire.

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

I don't think we do know who was behind this, and if you're saying "let's not jump to conclusions", then how about not making snarky comments implying just that.

As such, reckless comments like "I'm guessing we probably know who did this" are irresponsible. There's enough drama in the situation already. Let's not feed the fire.

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Sorry you thought my post was "snarky", whatever the hell that is, but if you read the next post I posted, you will see where Sean and his "friends" attorney is now saying that they were in fact there at Bryan's house that night.

They, Sean (Brent) and friend, are refusing to talk with the police until their attorney sets up a meeting and is present.

As for you comment about it being difficult to do the 2,000 miles simultaneously first it's actually about 2,800 miles, and that is easy to do in a 24 hour period. I've done it literally hundreds of times. Secondly, now that their attorney is stating that they were in Bryan's home THAT night, it's a moot point.

Now, explain to me, what the hell "snarky" is. I'm justa poor country boy and don't understand those big words.

Bill

My apologies, I mis-read the article in The Citizens Times. It actually reads:

"Sean Lockhart and Grant Roy, both of San Diego, have information about a man said to have met with 44-year-old Bryan Charles Kocis the night he was stabbed 28 times, said John Yates, a Los Angles-based attorney representing the men in a civil dispute involving Kocis."

Bill

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Originally Posted by hdkbill

if you read the next post I posted, you will see where Sean and his "friends" attorney is now saying that they were in fact there at Bryan's house that night.

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If you're referring to this article that you posted

http://citizensvoice.com/site/news.c...d=455154&rfi=6

nowhere in it is it said or implied that they were at Bryan's house that night. It does say, as I referenced earlier, that they had *information* about someone who was to model with Bryan that night... but that information (as previously reported in another article) came from a phonecall Sean had with Bryan.

Now... if it does turn out that Grant and Sean were there the night of the murder, then that changes things considerably.

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They, Sean (Brent) and friend, are refusing to talk with the police until their attorney sets up a meeting and is present.

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As I or anyone else with an ounce of sense would, regardless of innocence, if I were in their circumstances (which is exactly what I said in the previous message.)

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As for you comment about it being difficult to do the 2,000 miles simultaneously first it's actually about 2,800 miles, and that is easy to do in a 24 hour period.

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Apparently you don't know what "simultaneously" means. Until the laws of physics change, it's not currently possible to be in two places at the same time.

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Now, explain to me, what the hell "snarky" is. I'm justa poor country boy and don't understand those big words.

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"Snarky" doesn't have a perfect synonym, but the closest would be rudely sarcastic, disrespectful, or snide. I make a few snarky comments on GWW myself :)

Not trying to be snotty or disrespectful to you here. I'm just saying... none of the parties on either side of the dispute are angels, there was a lot of nastiness exchanged during the suit, a man was brutally murdered days after, but indications are that the contentious lawsuit had been settled to the satisfaction of both parties. So before we rush into making accusations at people that were likely thousands of miles away and had nothing to do with the murder, let's wait and see what the police come up with.

Anyone who is a potential subject in a criminal investigation should have an attorney present when talking with investigators, even when completely innocent. As a former prosecutor, I would not imply guilt simply because they want an attorney with them before being interviewed. There is nothing out of the ordinary with Sean and Brent's behavior.





Kocis did some very bad things in his life. His death does not change who he was. On this board I recall dawgy had his supporters and defenders, even after he admitted to the accusations against him and hundreds of kiddie porn images were found on his computer. The GFY standard of goodness vs. badness seems to be if a person was fun to party with, but I reserve the right to judge someone on all their actions and particularly how they dealt with cleaning up their own messes. Some learn from their mistakes and change behavior, others seem to prefer to learn how to not get caught. In my limited dealings with Kocis, he fell into the latter category.

Kocis may have helped some people make a lot of money but he was certainly not "one of us" and if he were alive he would probably agree. Kocis made porn but he was not a member of the adult entertainment community.

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Originally Posted by chadknowslaw

Kocis did some very bad things in his life. His death does not change who he was. On this board I recall dawgy had his supporters and defenders, even after he admitted to the accusations against him and hundreds of kiddie porn images were found on his computer. The GFY standard of goodness vs. badness seems to be if a person was fun to party with, but I reserve the right to judge someone on all their actions and particularly how they dealt with cleaning up their own messes...... Kocis may have helped some people make a lot of money but he was certainly not "one of us" and if he were alive he would probably agree. Kocis made porn but he was not a member of the adult entertainment community.

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Very well said.

He was never one of us.

Dawgy (now in prison for the CP stuff and filming sex with a child, also luring him via the internet) and the dead guy used to hang out ... came across this chilling post on GWW search http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...geezus+posting

No doubt there are a vein of producers/webmasters amongst us who are criminals and support eachother in predatory and illegal practices. No dramas, no need to be paranoid, these people are in every facet of society, not just porn. Choose wisely who you do business with.

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Strange this influx of support for this guy via three new members to GWW, two of which have existed for a day, or two, only, the other less then a month.. all with less then 20 posts. I don't see how you see him as a member of OUR community. He obviously is a member of your community, wherever you come from.

People who we've supported as a community have been found, and convicted, to be pedos and criminals in the past and have been banned from our community.



He's dead! The only people not resting in peace are his victims and their families. His victims and their families will live the rest of their life with the memory of what he's done to them.

Your perspective of who deserves our compassion is grossy askew.

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Talk about being bitter and contemptuous....wow!

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Originally Posted by John

Talk about being bitter and contemptuous....wow!

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Yes the dead guy is definately one of your kind. I'm sure you got along famously. You are not one of us :bunny:

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Originally Posted by DonMike

Sorry, I was eating my really crunchy cereal and this was all I heard.

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Laying around and eating breakfast in bed when you should be shipping me my movies, sometimes I wish we could exchange jobs :hmm:

Geeze ... and our Gov't has forced producers to give out private and personal information of their models.

How easy the US has made it for stalkers!

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

"Snarky" doesn't have a perfect synonym, but the closest would be rudely sarcastic, disrespectful, or snide. I make a few snarky comments on GWW myself :)

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I petition that Chip be called "Mr. Snarky" from now on.

R.

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Originally Posted by maxpower

Laying around and eating breakfast in bed when you should be shipping me my movies, sometimes I wish we could exchange jobs :hmm:

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Strangely enough I made that post while burning the DVD for your order (which is on the way). I was just trying to lighten the mood with a little joke. I should know better.

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Originally Posted by EonFilms_Rocky

I petition that Chip be called "Mr. Snarky" from now on.

R.

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No jokes, Rocky!!! We're not allowed to joke around here. Twenty lashes with a wet noodle for you. :P

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Originally Posted by DonMike

Strangely enough I made that post while burning the DVD for your order (which is on the way). I was just trying to lighten the mood with a little joke. I should know better.

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I some how knew that’s what you where doing man when you wrote that :) I was not raging on ya, just was hard to comeback with anything after that comment. :crazyeyes:

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Originally Posted by maxpower

I some how knew that’s what you where doing man when you wrote that :) I was not raging on ya, just was hard to comeback with anything after that comment. :crazyeyes:

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Oops. Sorry, man. I haven't had my coffee yet. :morning:

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Originally Posted by DonMike

Oops. Sorry, man. I haven't had my coffee yet. :morning:

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Its ok I am on the other end of my day, its about time for 4:20 while I do this upload then I can publish some feeders then bed :heartu:

No matter what a person did. It is sad to come to an end like he did.

Wasn't OJ supposidly thousands of miles away in Chicago the night his thing happened?

Oh wait, he was not guilty...

Ok, you're right. No way they could have done it.


***PLEASE NOTE: The use of sarcasim to point out a flaw in someones argument does not mean that I am saying that they actually did it.

And by the way, earlier in the thread I said I agreed that it was a shame to end any human life that way. However, the more I read about this guy...well....

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Somehow I seriously doubt it.

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16585661.htm

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16594258.htm

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Originally Posted by PornTeam

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16594258.htm

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I'm not sure who's the bigger scumbag... Kocis or the judge.

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Flora and Tokach said prosecuting Kocis would have been difficult because the boy lied about his age. However, state law says defendants accused of sex offenses can’t use “mistake of age” in their defense.

Tokach said the boy was under contract with Kocis’ company and provided two fake forms of identification that showed his age was older than 18.

Kocis was sentenced by Conahan on May 15, 2002, for the possession of child pornography, a felony, to one year of probation.

On July 13, 2006, Conahan signed a court order that changed Kocis’ guilty plea to a corruption of minors, a misdemeanor, and hand wrote on the order, “not subject to Megan’s Law.”

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

I'm not sure who's the bigger scumbag... Kocis or the judge.

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Flora and Tokach said prosecuting Kocis would have been difficult because the boy lied about his age. However, state law says defendants accused of sex offenses can’t use “mistake of age” in their defense.

Tokach said the boy was under contract with Kocis’ company and provided two fake forms of identification that showed his age was older than 18.

Kocis was sentenced by Conahan on May 15, 2002, for the possession of child pornography, a felony, to one year of probation.

On July 13, 2006, Conahan signed a court order that changed Kocis’ guilty plea to a corruption of minors, a misdemeanor, and hand wrote on the order, “not subject to Megan’s Law.”

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Oh but Kocis was such a good friend to a few people here and did so much for them. It doesn't matter to them that he filmed sex with himself and a 15 year old, fucked over retailers and his distributor, filmed porn with other underage talent, or had kiddie porn in his house.

We have some VERY forgiving people on GWW you know :snake:

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Oh but Kocis was such a good friend to a few people here and did so much for them. It doesn't matter to them that he filmed sex with himself and a 15 year old, fucked over retailers and his distributor, filmed porn with other underage talent, or had kiddie porn in his house.

We have some VERY forgiving people on GWW you know :snake:

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Oh! But it's just the media being unfair. :kickcan:

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Originally Posted by Xstr8guy

Oh! But it's just the media being unfair. :kickcan:

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Yeah you sit their on your high horse judging someone you don't even know how dare you! It was all the childrens fault. They made him do it! It doesn't matter what the judge ruled or what the police found or what the dead guy admitted to doing. You think you're the moral compass of the porn industry? How dare you sit in judgement :snake:

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Originally Posted by Squirt

Yeah you sit their on your high horse judging someone you don't even know how dare you! It was all the childrens fault. They made him do it! It doesn't matter what the judge ruled or what the police found or what the dead guy admitted to doing. You think you're the moral compass of the porn industry? How dare you sit in judgement :snake:

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Haha! Stop it!

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Originally Posted by TropixxxStudios

Wasn't OJ supposidly thousands of miles away in Chicago the night his thing happened?

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Actually, Chad pointed out, when I spoke to him on the phone

-- Light colored SUV seen in the area
-- Throat slashed with a knife

All we need is a bloody glove, and then we know that OJ did it!

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16610031.htm

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Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

Actually, Chad pointed out, when I spoke to him on the phone

-- Light colored SUV seen in the area
-- Throat slashed with a knife

All we need is a bloody glove, and then we know that OJ did it!

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MR. SNARKY STRIKES AGAIN!!!!

hehe

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http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16620030.htm

Either the local investigators have cucumbers for brains or they just are not releasing more information about "Drake".
Although, I must admit, in my tenure as a DA I saw two murder investigations botched due to failure to follow leads properly. Hopefully they will hunt down the killer{s} and have a fair trial before meting out justice. In Kocis's case, I don't know whether to condemn or commend.

http://www.citizensvoice.com/site/ne...d=455154&rfi=6

and here's the models page http://norfolkmaleescorts.com/harlow.html

The guy is cute.

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/times...s/16645198.htm

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Originally Posted by PornTeam

The guy is cute.

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Yep, he is a hottie. And a hottie with a good alibi.

Now back to who was the guy that was supposed to meet with Kocis the night he was killed? I am surprised that so far the investigators have not found the person that was supposed to meet him. As you may have already figured out I had no respect for Kocis, but somebody murdered him and that person needs to be put behind bars. I honestly hope they find the murderer soon.

A most interesting development. Hopefully Kocis' internet records reveal who actually sent that photo. Could have been a porn fan living a fantasy online pretending to be a model, or it may have been the killer trying to set up a known prostitute.

Oddly enough the instant I saw that photo in one of the news articles I figured someone had sent in a fake picture. It happens all the time. Some guys get off on submitting fake pictures. A lot of guys, actually.

Pure conjecture on my part, but the part that doesn't seem to make any sense is what Bryan's next door neighbors said about his paranoia... he didn't even let in people that he *knew* unless he was expecting them, let alone someone he didn't know.

Let's assume for a moment that somebody who wanted to model for Bryan or kill him (either one) sent Bryan a fake pic of the guy Harlow, got Bryan to agree to have the guy come over to model.

The part that doesnt' make sense is why Bryan would have let this guy in if it wasn't the guy in the pics. And too, the business about the wine bottle... implying that Bryan probably knew the other person.

I just hope the police know a LOT more than they are letting on, and have some solid leads, because from what's been released so far, it seems like an awful lot of wheel spinning with little to no results.

I had the opportunity to talk about this case with a police officer who works in California this past week. Neither one of know anything other than what has been reported--considering the past and the fact that at least one of Kocis' lawyers reads everything I post I have to say that--

We both came to the conclusion that although the investigators would do their jobs investigating Kocis' murder, because of the fact that he was a gay pornographer with a previous conviction of possession of child pornography that they would not be putting in any extra effort to solve the case.