What if this happened...

[gaybucks_chip]

Now, while I'm cautious about saying who the bad apples are, I will say that I hear from a lot of guys about who the good apples are, and I'm happy to say that Chip and his Boyfunk gang definitely have a good rep with the boys.

Wow, it's really nice to hear that. We work hard to ensure our models are happy and have a great experience with us, and it's gratifying to hear that people are saying good things.

I have to say also that Citiboyz is one of the VERY few studios that I've heard only completely positive things about, and this not only from models but even from former employees.

I do think that there is a trend toward greater professionalism in the industry as a whole, and I think that the GWW community is lucky enough to have a number of really first-rate companies participating here.

[Squirt]

So much bullshit in this thread and I think the offending party has already posted. Sick fucks. Get a fucking life! At least pay escorts for a fuck don't take advantage of innocent wanna be models you pathetic piece of shit.

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[ArmpitLover]

I say Shame them here......on GWW

Check with Chad but I believe if you put "allegedly" :signhere: you would not face any reprocussions, and to be honest, you have the models name so you could use that if it ever were taken further.

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[samebb]

I say Shame them here......on GWW

Check with Chad but I believe if you put "allegedly" :signhere: you would not face any reprocussions, and to be honest, you have the models name so you could use that if it ever were taken further.

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I really dont think its worth the drama anyone naming and shaming.

What i will say is thank GOD i have nothing to do with producing :goof: Way to much hassle, il just stick to the PC

[TropixxxStudios]

We point to our philosophy statement (www.boyfunk.com/philosophy.html) which is on all of our sites, but sometimes even that isn't enough to reassure the models.

That is a REALLY cool philosophy statement. I will have to brainstorm and do something similar on my site.

[citiboyz]

Before names and accusations start flying, the ethical thing to do would be to thoroughly check out the story. Models are notorious for spreading rumors and falsehoods when they're rejected or think they've been unfairly treated. And some producers like to tear others down to build themselves up. So I'm suggesting caution, lest the accusations prove to be a hoax or a smear and someone has to apologize to the GWW community.

[deanb]

Before names and accusations start flying, the ethical thing to do would be to thoroughly check out the story. Models are notorious for spreading rumors and falsehoods when they're rejected or think they've been unfairly treated. And some producers like to tear others down to build themselves up. So I'm suggesting caution, lest the accusations prove to be a hoax or a smear and someone has to apologize to the GWW community.

I would say that the model knowing the first and last name of same studio, what city they are based out of is pretty good indication. When he was first telling me about it, he didn't have the name of the studio quite right (had one part messed up) went back to check emails to get the correct name.

The story was too in detail to be wrong.. After talking to him a bit more yesterday, I was inquiring about whether they came inside of him, he stated that they had wanted to, but he didn't let them... It amazes me, it really does.

The reason, I have not mentioned the name is because I am still new to this business, and it being early on for me, I don't want to damage my company, and get in a huge mud slinging fight with people. The point of posting this was more to get peoples reactions, as I know that the person who it involves is on this board. I am guessing that he has probably already read this thread, and I hope that they feel like shit as a result. Said company, at one point, has been a community sponsor on GWW. I really hope that perhaps they may realize where others in the industry stand, and this behaviour will not continue on.

I realize that it is porn, but at some point this industry has to quit using that fact to leave all of their morals at home when they go to work each day. Just because guys want to model, that doesn't mean that they are whores, or that you can just fuck them, or that they don't have feelings. I would say as for them not having feelings, probably the exact opposite is true.

Having started out in this industry as a model, going in front of a camera and having sex, is no cakewalk. It is a very vernurable time. There is constant worrying about if one is going to get hard, if they are going to cum too soon, what their hair looks like, what their face looks like, what if their scene partner doesn't like them. Its a time of lots of emotion for most guys, and to have to fuck the director, and then basically be told that you are not good enough to do video, is horrible. I can't believe the guy is still wanting to model to be honest.

And some producers like to tear others down to build themselves up. So I'm suggesting caution, lest the accusations prove to be a hoax or a smear and someone has to apologize to the GWW community.

I have nothing to gain by tearing down another producer. If it is me that you are referring to with these comment, you can check out my posting on any amount of other boards, and you will quickly learn that I am not one to start shit, and I don't really get in the middle of shit either.

This guy was of particualar concern to me from being a model in the past. If you could for a minute, take the model perspective on what happened. You have a guy trying to put you in a video. Fucking you bareback with another guy, wanting to come in your ass, then told you are free to go that you aren't needed. I hope I am not the only one here that would feel like a huge piece of meat! I would leave that situation with a few self esteem issues.

[citiboyz]

I have nothing to gain by tearing down another producer. If it is me that you are referring to with these comment, you can check out my posting on any amount of other boards, and you will quickly learn that I am not one to start shit, and I don't really get in the middle of shit either.

Hey Dean,

No, no, no. I wasn't referring to you. I was just trying to tone down the rhetoric in the thread. Sorry if it came across wrongly. I'm in complete agreement with you. I feel bad for the model, and for those of us on the production side of the camera who have to live with the perception in many minds that we're all a bunch of creeps.

On an aside, you might have read a thread I posted regarding blogging that I posted looking for info for my boyfriend, who wants to create a motivational blog site. We both like what you did with Wordpress. Kudos :-)

Steve

[deanb]

Hey Dean,

No, no, no. I wasn't referring to you. I was just trying to tone down the rhetoric in the thread. Sorry if it came across wrongly. I'm in complete agreement with you. I feel bad for the model, and for those of us on the production side of the camera who have to live with the perception in many minds that we're all a bunch of creeps.

On an aside, you might have read a thread I posted regarding blogging that I posted looking for info for my boyfriend, who wants to create a motivational blog site. We both like what you did with Wordpress. Kudos :-)

Steve

Sorry I took that out of context! This has to be the first issue that I have really taken a firm stand for on here, and I really feel strongly about my stance (obviously). I like to look out for the welfare of models as much as possible. I treat them like people, and have real compassion and connections with them, they become friends of a sort in the process.

[gaybucks_chip]

So much bullshit in this thread and I think the offending party has already posted.
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Nope, the offending party has not posted (so far) in this thread.

[marcjacob]

To me its sexual harrasment. If any company non adult said give me a blowjob or you dont get the job, the person would be protected by sexual harrasment laws, why should adult be different? Id be interested to hear Chads view on that!

[Squirt]

To me its sexual harrasment. If any company non adult said give me a blowjob or you dont get the job, the person would be protected by sexual harrasment laws, why should adult be different?

I agree

This subject is close to my heart because of a studio near me here in Australia that specializes in teen models. I have had SO MANY models come and tell me horror stories. One straight kid broke down crying telling me how he was tricked in the worst way. Others have told me how after they cum they're told they have to cum again to get their money. When these guys get to me they are sometimes on the defensive and I have to spend extra time and effort to gain their trust. Companies that treat models badly don't do any of us any good.

[marcjacob]

Thats shocking. Mind you the whole practise is. Maybe a Models Union would be a good idea. Offering help and advice and saying which companies are good places to work, they wouldnt have to say which were bad (legal reasons), just not reccomend them.

[deanb]

Thats shocking. Mind you the whole practise is. Maybe a Models Union would be a good idea. Offering help and advice and saying which companies are good places to work, they wouldnt have to say which were bad (legal reasons), just not reccomend them.

I don't know how well a models union would work, but Chip has brought up the idea of having a page explaining what you can expect from a porn company, and what to look out for. I think something like that would be an awsome resouce to help potential models out. There are tons of models out there on myspace in various myspace groups, and on adult hire, and various other sites, maybe a simple link to a page like that in a couple of producers profiles could have a huge effect in helping to get the word out.

[IdolKnights]

Thats shocking. Mind you the whole practise is. Maybe a Models Union would be a good idea. Offering help and advice and saying which companies are good places to work, they wouldnt have to say which were bad (legal reasons), just not reccomend them.

If you ever joined a union you would know it's not a smart idea. The union would up the payment on an annual basis leading to a cost too high to pay. The models would have to make payments to the union to keep membership. The Adult industry would need to hire Union only models in a non-Right to work state and models who have been members longer would have first right to a job. A model would need to update their resume before being a bottom if they only have blowjob listed before they could do a bottom scene.

Granted - this is an extreme of what Union Models would be like ... but based on union agreements and member vote - could well become.