What if this happened...

[DonMike]

I think that's why our models really like working for Randy. He treats them all with the utmost respect. He treats all of us in the office really well too. I just couldn't work for someone who would mistreat or take advantage of a model.

And to whoever said that the models should know better, keep in mind that we are used to the atmosphere of this industry and most of us know what is or isn't appropriate. Some young guy who has never had to deal with anyone in the industry might not know better. Ask some of your non-industry friends what they think the industry is like and you may be shocked at what you hear. I have had people make all sorts of comments about how cool it must be to have half naked models lounging around the office all the time and do I get to be the fluffer and all that. People can get so caught up in the fantasy of porn that they don't think about it as a business, and to some model who sees other guys his age getting fucked in all these movies and websites, the fact that he might need to "perform" on a casting couch might not be such a far out idea. It's a damn shame that someone would take advantage of a naive model like that. It's people like that who make it bad for those of us who work at having reputable company.

On the other hand, the idea of publicly shaming a particular business could open a whole other can of worms. Sometimes a single post on a message board can really hurt someone's reputation, and if it becomes common practice in the industry it could mean that anytime somebody wants to hurt a competitor's business all they would need to do is make some "alleged" accusation. I think I'm sensitive to this sort of thing because one time, years ago when I was at another company, one of my clients took issue over an order. I don't even remember what it was, but instead of sending me an email or an ICQ with their problem, they went to the boards and made a post that gave the impression that whatever this issue was it was a common practice at my company and that I made no attempt to remedy it. I was fortunate that enough people new me that a few well written words in my defense took care of the issue, and I was able to contact the client and fix things, but it could have gone the other way and done a lot of damage.

Please don't get me wrong, I am horrified at what had happened to this poor kid and I hope something gets done about it, but there has to be a better way than making accusations on a public message board.

[chadknowslaw]

Asking for sex in order to get a job or promotion is the purest form of sexual harassment, and can get the offender sued. It is humiliating and demeaning, and something that should not be tolerated by anybody. I personally do not want to ever work with someone that coerces models into having sex in order to get a job, and telling a model they must have sex with the producer in order to get paid AFTER the job has been done is most likely a criminal act in most jurisdictions.

If the report is credible and you merely state that "A model that interviewed with me said XYZ director wanted to have sex before consideration" that is not libel, slander, or any other actionable event, SO LONG AS IT IS TRUE THAT THE MODEL DID SAY THAT TO YOU.

If a model did tell you that, and you believe the model, I personally would like to have that producer's name publicly revealed. If it is true, then that is a person I would not want to do business with myself. However, if it is not true, then the model that told you in the first place has some explaining to do.

[desslock]

Asking for sex in order to get a job or promotion is the purest form of sexual harassment, and can get the offender sued. It is humiliating and demeaning, and something that should not be tolerated by anybody.

Chad's comment is right on the money!

For me, the details aren't relevant - if they used condoms would that make it somehow different? Or group sex versus one on one sex? People who use their work position to sexually harass others should get sued. If that happened to a friend of mine, I wouldn't tolerate it,

(Interestingly I watched 9 to 5 on AMC earlier tonight. Rat poison in the boss's coffee anyone?)

Now, let's not start dumping all over the adult industry. Sexual harassment in the workplace happens everywhere, from Fortune 500 companies to the White House in the 90s. It's not like it's peculiar to the gay porn industry.

From my very limitied experience, I've found the expectations of models to be all over the map. Guys have asked me "how to get in porn" and in some cases I've suggested some good studios who I know are always looking for talent... but what it boils down to is that they are looking at it as a way to get sex. And they take it as seriously as making an online hookup. When they realize that driving to this new trick's house is going to take 45 minutes on a cold night, they blow it off.

Steve

[samebb]

I think this whole issue boils down to people who start producing to grow their company, and people who start producing so they can get more sex.

Everyone has an underlying reason to do the job they do, im some cases with content production is must be simply the change of getting laid more.

IMHO

[DonMike]

I think this whole issue boils down to people who start producing to grow their company, and people who start producing so they can get more sex.

Everyone has an underlying reason to do the job they do, im some cases with content production is must be simply the change of getting laid more.

IMHO

Sorry Sam, I have to disagree. I love my job, and I have been in the industry for five years now and was in the adult phone industry in the early 90's and none of it had anything to do with being around porn, getting laid, or wanting to be around models. My first job in the industry was quite by accident. I applied to a company without knowing it was involved in porn, but being very open about sex and sexuality I had no problem with it. I sought out the online porn industry after moving here to LA in 99 because I knew it was one of the few places where I could truly by myself. I could be open about being gay, open about being kinky, I could be inked and pierced, wear shorts and t-shirts to work, and not have to worry about walking on eggshells with every conversation I got into. Having worked in a mainstream company I had to give up all these things and I really hated it. Life is to short to spend all your time pretending to be somebody else.

Not saying I don't like to look at the occasional hot guy, but that's not the reason I do what I do, and I think a lot of us here are of the same mindset.

[samebb]

Sorry Sam, I have to disagree. I love my job, and I have been in the industry for five years now and was in the adult phone industry in the early 90's and none of it had anything to do with being around porn, getting laid, or wanting to be around models. My first job in the industry was quite by accident. I applied to a company without knowing it was involved in porn, but being very open about sex and sexuality I had no problem with it. I sought out the online porn industry after moving here to LA in 99 because I knew it was one of the few places where I could truly by myself. I could be open about being gay, open about being kinky, I could be inked and pierced, wear shorts and t-shirts to work, and not have to worry about walking on eggshells with every conversation I got into. Having worked in a mainstream company I had to give up all these things and I really hated it. Life is to short to spend all your time pretending to be somebody else.

Not saying I don't like to look at the occasional hot guy, but that's not the reason I do what I do, and I think a lot of us here are of the same mindset.

You got the wrong end of the stick their hun :goof:

My point was everyone has reasons they do their job. Why do i do this work ? Well i got into the adult industry by accident to! I was a humble web designer who stumbled on it. And why do i do it ? Well the porn side of things is nothing to me. i do it because i love being self employed, i love making my own hours, i love being the person who decides what i do with my days.

Your reasons make sense to, even if they dont have anything to do with the porn side of things :bow:

[SPACE GLIDER]

I have had people make all sorts of comments about how cool it must be to have half naked models lounging around the office all the time and do I get to be the fluffer and all that.

and they're SERIOUS when they say stuff like that??

[badpuppyben]

and they're SERIOUS when they say stuff like that??

Absolutely. I have a friend that works out of the industry and that is pretty much what he believes. Often times, especially the longer you are in this industry, it is very easy for us to forget that people that are not in the industry really have absolutely no clue what really goes on. I've even told my friend what really happens when getting a model, on the shoot, etc but he'd much rather live happilly with his fantasy.

Personaly I stopped using scouts several years ago for the same reasons cited above. There's a couple of photographers I won't buy from either, but they were small time people anyway. While I do think this case is extreme, it's not overly surprising. I've had many models that expected to have sex (several that were actually quite annoyed that they weren't) before the shoot. Talk to some of your friends outside the industry it's actually quite amusing to hear what they truly believe is going on.