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[maxpower]

I just don't see anyone getting fucked, as you put it.

Sites that were submitted to them before, and accepted, benefited from the traffic and made sales. Like Lee siad, now those same people will just submit somewhere else no biggie.

There are still ways to make money with JUB. Taking a closer look at their site I see there are free ways you can get traffic from them, if it's their traffic you want.

I know you do not understand as you do not create Free/AVS sites or work probably with any directories from what you have said. But if you can not see a problem with a company that was built off the efforts of outside webmasters waking up one day and remove ALL there sites to boost their own sales by 15% then I am not sure what to tell you. :goatse:

[gaybucks_chip]

Have you tried talking to Bryce or AndyMike? Both post here pretty regularly and I've always found them to be good guys.

[maxpower]

Have you tried talking to Bryce or AndyMike? Both post here pretty regularly and I've always found them to be good guys.

Ya I sent Andy a PM before I started talking crap, but really not much they can do or say at this point that will make this ok. Its kind of too late, but I did tell you guys they where going to do this long ago (as I remember people said I was full of crap) They have been working in the direction of removing all non paid links for years now, but just came up with BS rules to prevent accepting sites in the past, and hide the link they did take. Now they just said fuck it and are removing all of the links I proved them as well as countless other webmasters.

Just does not set right with me you know, but I will say they are losing more power and influence than I think they know.

[JustBryce]

Loosing power and influence? I don't think we have any, but I guess we can't miss what we didn't know we had, . Seriously now...

We sent out an email earlier that breaks down what this all about...

Important Message From JustUsBoys.com for directory submitters.

Dear JUB Directory Submitter,

First of all, thanks for submitting your sites to the JUB Directory! We've decided to make some significant changes to the way the directory will operate going forward.

JUB is creating a new human edited site directory with a focus on listing ONLY unique and high quality websites. We'll no longer list the typical 30 picture free site meant primarily to funnel surfers to sponsors. Due to this change, our website submission page has been taken down. If you think you have a high quality site that meets the guidelines listed below, send the details to submissions@justusboys.com and we'll take a look.

If you have a membership site that you'd like to have listed, please send the details of your affiliate program to submissions@justusboys.com as well.

In addition, we'll be going through all of the links in the directory to select the best of the best. If you currently have a link back to JUB on your sites, please feel free to remove it pending a review. All sites that don't meet our new standards will be removed from the directory after March 1, 2007.

New Listing Standards

- We're looking for unique and high quality membership, free, blog and AVS sites.

- Please don't submit template sites primarily meant to funnel surfers to sponsors. We're leaving that business model behind. No more templates!

- All sites must be on unique domain names and offer something special. If you have many free sites, consider submitting your hub.

Thanks!
JUB Links Manager

There are plenty of sites out there where you can list templated free sites and plenty of spaces to hock your TGP galleries, we just aren't going to be that place anymore. We sent the email out this week and posted the announcement on JUB last week. We've allowed time for people to remove any recip links they have to our site.

It's not about fucking over Maxpower or any other webmaster. It is very much about creating a quality product that actually has some value to the surfers. There are hardly any quality freesites being submitted anymore. I'm sure the other links lists owners would agree because we talk often and all experperience the same kind of problems. By the time we approve a site and check it a week later, the links are changed, trojans are installed, pop-up hells have been added. It creates a list of nothing but shit and we don't want to help promote shit any longer.

Hey maybe we are screwing this thing up, but our theory is that by listing quality websites we will actually not only improve JUB, but we will also improve the quality of traffic we are sending webmasters. We will have a a linkslist that our surfers can trust and therefore when they get to your sites, they will have inherent trust because we are in essence vouching. With the quality of sites we have now, that testamonial might not be worth a whole lot, but I think it will improve very quickly as we clean this thing up.

If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but I've been pretty prolific and have a high accuracy for forcasting these kinds of things, and I think that the webmasters who jump through these common-sense hoops are going to really enjoy not only the quantity of traffic we send but also the quality. Seriously, our new rules aren't asking a whole lot. Those that think they can get some benefit from it will submit and we will gladly work partner with them. Just because something was done a certain way since 1996 doesn't mean that we can't change that 11 years later and try to fix some fundamental flaws.

[maxpower]

Well just don’t give me this NO template, just jump though the hoops, unique and high quality free site BS. Come on man, I can look at the sites you are taking and have been talking, this is not my first day on the job. I can see what’s going on, and it did not just start this week. This has been building slowly for years now, it just starts with all the “rules” and playing hide the link.

If you guys want to create or profit from every site in your “directory” then that’s fine I guess, but you creating a NEW directory to do these things would have been better than just removing all the sites of people that for the most part it sounds like you see as just a annoyances. Allot of these people worked hard to promote your site, even before you started working for them, and to just to blow them off is not right

I am sure this will pick up your sales/profit by what 15-20% maybe, but be real man your not going to share any real traffic regardless and it has little or nothing to do with the quality of the sites. I do hope it works out man (not really just like UGAS this kind of approach not working is best for the webmaster community as a whole)

Time will tell, but not sure why you guys throw party’s really at all anymore, I guess it might have distracted many people from the numbers you sent sites before, but now I see no need for any kind of PR stuff.

[gaystoryman]

You know Max, sometimes I just don't get you. On one hand you complain about how you weren't getting listed, and now are complaining that they changed the rules. Shouldn't make any difference to you seeing as how you weren't listed or gaining from the before rules anyhow, so why the gribe?

I haven't worked with Bryce but have with Andy Mike and I always found him and the company he represented to be above board and mindful of things. I also know of many webmasters who have benefited enormously from the advice and insight offered by Bryce and others at JUB. Simply because you don't like them or respect them, is no reason to pick a fight with them.

You have asked for a lot of advice and help from many here, and it has been freely given, yet when you ignore that advice, people aren't jumping up and down and accusing you of trickery or ulterior motives. We accept, for the most part, that bottom line is that it is your business to run your way, and the same considerations should be given to others.

JUB is successful, and they don't just make changes for the hell of it. But bottom line is that just as you have spent your entire time as a member of this board talking about your site, that still isn't released, JUB has made changes, implemented changes and actually shown their advances in the field, and frankly, all you have done is talked about it.

As the old wendy's commercial said.. Where is the Beef?

[maxpower]

You know Max, sometimes I just don't get you. On one hand you complain about how you weren't getting listed, and now are complaining that they changed the rules. Shouldn't make any difference to you seeing as how you weren't listed or gaining from the before rules anyhow, so why the gribe?

I haven't worked with Bryce but have with Andy Mike and I always found him and the company he represented to be above board and mindful of things. I also know of many webmasters who have benefited enormously from the advice and insight offered by Bryce and others at JUB. Simply because you don't like them or respect them, is no reason to pick a fight with them.

You have asked for a lot of advice and help from many here, and it has been freely given, yet when you ignore that advice, people aren't jumping up and down and accusing you of trickery or ulterior motives. We accept, for the most part, that bottom line is that it is your business to run your way, and the same considerations should be given to others.

JUB is successful, and they don't just make changes for the hell of it. But bottom line is that just as you have spent your entire time as a member of this board talking about your site, that still isn't released, JUB has made changes, implemented changes and actually shown their advances in the field, and frankly, all you have done is talked about it.

As the old wendy's commercial said.. Where is the Beef?

Ya I understand you guys that do not make free or AVS site might have problems getting it. But 2 week before the “rule” change I was getting sites accepted, that I had to jump though so many hoops to get the 400 clicks. Then after I worked really hard to play the game they wanted me to, (at a loss I might add) they pulled the rug out from under me and every other webmaster that ever sent them a site.

I know they have margined themselves as far a free/avs sites go what 3-4 years ago, but still the fact I am the only one that cares about this kind of crap is not very comforting.

BTW I run 2 full members sites today, and I will run 4 or so before the end of the year. Just because you might not have seen them does not mean they do not exist

[gaystoryman]

First off, how do you know I don't run avs or free sites? Do you know all of my web properties and interests or do you just know of the ones I have listed under my own name and not my business identities? :argue: See Sean, this is why people get upset with you, you jump to conclussions without knowing all the facts. I have been working online for well over 10 years, make what I call decent income, so please, don't assume you know all of what I do.

My point is (as I explained in reply to your PM) is that you may indeed have 2 live sites, but you claim you aren't opening them up hard, you call it a 'soft open' more times than not, as you still want to tinker with them.. so for me, that implies they simply are live, not fully ready yet, which is fine, but to slag JUB who makes business decisions that you disagree with is simply, not nice.

Plus I do get what you are saying, problem as I see it, is you don't get what JUB is saying and doing. So before you jump on the high horse, maybe try to see what they are saying. As to their business being built on the backs of other webmasters and shitting on them now, sorry but i don't see it that way at all. I see it as a site that is trying to improve its relations with its customers, who are the ones who pay their bills. Webmaster that link to them and send traffic to them, are generally making money from being affiliates, so anything that helps retain members, improve garnering new members is not on their backs, but is aiding their pocket books. :morning:

[maxpower]

First off, how do you know I don't run avs or free sites? Do you know all of my web properties and interests or do you just know of the ones I have listed under my own name and not my business identities? :argue: See Sean, this is why people get upset with you, you jump to conclussions without knowing all the facts. I have been working online for well over 10 years, make what I call decent income, so please, don't assume you know all of what I do.

My point is (as I explained in reply to your PM) is that you may indeed have 2 live sites, but you claim you aren't opening them up hard, you call it a 'soft open' more times than not, as you still want to tinker with them.. so for me, that implies they simply are live, not fully ready yet, which is fine, but to slag JUB who makes business decisions that you disagree with is simply, not nice.

Plus I do get what you are saying, problem as I see it, is you don't get what JUB is saying and doing. So before you jump on the high horse, maybe try to see what they are saying. As to their business being built on the backs of other webmasters and shitting on them now, sorry but i don't see it that way at all. I see it as a site that is trying to improve its relations with its customers, who are the ones who pay their bills. Webmaster that link to them and send traffic to them, are generally making money from being affiliates, so anything that helps retain members, improve garnering new members is not on their backs, but is aiding their pocket books. :morning:

The fact you believe that line of crap does tell me you are not familiar with how directories work and especially this directory. This is why I could say that with such confidence, really you still think they are a “directory” just doing what’s best for viewers and webmaster alike. That’s nice but they have just been pretending to be a directory for years, and now sounds like even that is too much for them to handle.

[Squirt]

I know you do not understand as you do not create Free/AVS sites or work probably with any directories from what you have said.

I've been on the web developing since 1996. My first site was an apartment search site called rentweb.com which was cgi based with a database back end. I later sold that business for healthy profit.

I started filming for my porn site in 1999 and went live in 2000. Waaaaaaaaaaay back then AVS was a key source in bringing traffic to a site.

Guess you don't know everything. Again you are being extremely short sited. Most porn sites, and new businesses go broke in the first 2 years... I've been doing porn for 8 years and JUB has been around for YEARS.

But if you can not see a problem with a company that was built off the efforts of outside webmasters waking up one day and remove ALL there sites to boost their own sales by 15% then I am not sure what to tell you. :goatse:

You have a lot to learn and see things from a very narrow and skewed viewpoint.

I've also told you that if you look closely at their site you can still get FREE traffic from JUB. I think you just want to be angry, bitch and moan, and be the victim, as usual. I think you need to take Bryces advice in the email they sent regarding hub sites as well

If you were really concerned about the traffic and making money you would look at their site, take my advice, and have MORE traffic then you did on their old business model.

As I suspected, JUB is making a wise business move. Evolving is part of staying in business. BTW.. it wasn't just free site submitters that made JUB what is.. it was the forums, surfers, and content producers. It's all rather symbiotic and not as narrow minded and one sided as you see it. JUB has also been very calculating and aggressive in their SEO strategy as well as offline marketing tactics.

[Squirt]

I know you do not understand as you do not create Free/AVS sites or work probably with any directories from what you have said. But if you can not see a problem with a company that was built off the efforts of outside webmasters waking up one day and remove ALL there sites to boost their own sales by 15% then I am not sure what to tell you. :goatse:

So using your same logic... sites that you decide not to promote anymore should feel victimized by you because they made you what you are and now you're abandoning them. Truly fucked logic :bunny:

Especially considering the fact that JUB still wants your traffic, just under different circumstances, wheras websites you just blatently decide to stop promoting have no recourse at all.

[CorbinFisher_BD]

Max just doesn't seem to understand the concept that companies are allowed to change their business models and make adjustments in their own self interests. He seems to think that when someone gets screwed in a deal - such as himself - the changes were implemented for the sole sake of screwing people over.

JUB has every right to look out for themselves and look out for the experience of their surfers. If they want to exert greater control over the kind of sites THEY list on THEIR directory, by all means they have every right to do just that.

It does them no good to subject their surfers to the same old templates everyone's seen before, misleading links, popups, viruses and the like. It does no good to their directory to have it bursting at the seams with sites no one will want to see or visit. If they have crap sites listed in their directory, regardless of whatever recip traffic they might generate, that hurts their legitimacy in the eyes of their surfers and renders their directory useless.

I think you have to face the fact, Max, that not every company out there has a business model that constitutes doing you - or anyone else, for that matter - favors.

[themonk]

yeah i like all of the people

[maxpower]

Max just doesn't seem to understand the concept that companies are allowed to change their business models and make adjustments in their own self interests. He seems to think that when someone gets screwed in a deal - such as himself - the changes were implemented for the sole sake of screwing people over.

JUB has every right to look out for themselves and look out for the experience of their surfers. If they want to exert greater control over the kind of sites THEY list on THEIR directory, by all means they have every right to do just that.

It does them no good to subject their surfers to the same old templates everyone's seen before, misleading links, popups, viruses and the like. It does no good to their directory to have it bursting at the seams with sites no one will want to see or visit. If they have crap sites listed in their directory, regardless of whatever recip traffic they might generate, that hurts their legitimacy in the eyes of their surfers and renders their directory useless.

I think you have to face the fact, Max, that not every company out there has a business model that constitutes doing you - or anyone else, for that matter - favors.

Well man I can see how YOU would support this kind of crap, personally You, JUB, and UGAS have the same business ethics and respect for past contributors. And all the BS about looking out for viewers, is just that BS I invite anyone to take a look at the “new” sites they are listing. They are for the most part below or possibly average feeders, with 30-60 pics made with templates or created with 5 minuets of effort. All this is just a way to say they are the good guys and only looking out for others, while in reality this has nothing to do with it, and just a lame excuse.

BTW how’s the removal of your affiliates going man, you get rid of all those troublesome fuckers that where holding you down yet?

Sorry but these are the ONLY 3 gay companies I have a problem with, can you see a pattern?

[maxpower]

Let me just add if your going to try to pull this crap in the future with other sites you might own, it might be a good idea to at least list the High Quality Unique Non Template sites you think set the new higher standard for every, for at least a few weeks. You should know someone’s going to call you on it, but I guess even for a few weeks its impossible for you to create them in the numbers you would need. :signhere: