First off, how do you know I don't run avs or free sites? Do you know all of my web properties and interests or do you just know of the ones I have listed under my own name and not my business identities? :argue: See Sean, this is why people get upset with you, you jump to conclussions without knowing all the facts. I have been working online for well over 10 years, make what I call decent income, so please, don't assume you know all of what I do.

My point is (as I explained in reply to your PM) is that you may indeed have 2 live sites, but you claim you aren't opening them up hard, you call it a 'soft open' more times than not, as you still want to tinker with them.. so for me, that implies they simply are live, not fully ready yet, which is fine, but to slag JUB who makes business decisions that you disagree with is simply, not nice.

Plus I do get what you are saying, problem as I see it, is you don't get what JUB is saying and doing. So before you jump on the high horse, maybe try to see what they are saying. As to their business being built on the backs of other webmasters and shitting on them now, sorry but i don't see it that way at all. I see it as a site that is trying to improve its relations with its customers, who are the ones who pay their bills. Webmaster that link to them and send traffic to them, are generally making money from being affiliates, so anything that helps retain members, improve garnering new members is not on their backs, but is aiding their pocket books. :morning: