Failing Industry?

[gaybucks_chip]

Max,

I have the feeling I said this all before, a week or two ago, but I'll say it again.

The world is littered with companies that have died because they weren't nimble enough to see the coming change in the marketplace and move with it.

Agfa, the 80 year old German equivalent of Kodak, went bankrupt because they thought their film business wouldn't be affected by digital imaging

All the companies that made carbon paper... the Xerox machine gutted their market.

More recently the companies that print business forms have all just about either gone out of business or heavily diversified because, with laser printers, almost no one needs business forms any more.

Porn is like any other industry. There are constant innovations, changes, regulatory changes, and market shifts. Anyone who simply whines and says "The sky is falling! The industry is going down the tubes" is simply ignorant or lazy or both.

If you know how to look for them, there are opportunities in every so-called "adverse" sitaution.

The porn industry can and will survive just about everything that comes to pass because sex is a basic human need and people want it. We just have to be flexible and keep our eyes on the trends and movements in the industry and the marketplace.

[maxpower]

I am not folding up camp man, and I do not think the sky is falling, but I might say we are sinking in 4 feet of quick sand. That is to say the net industry for the resent future anyway will not ever have their head under water, and some can clime on top and hold on, but we are not standing on solid ground.

I am sure I will keep net sites operating for the next 20 years or what ever, but unless (I can not believe I am saying this) the government can save us from ourselves I really see us just devaluing content to the point we might start breaking your (sex being a basic human need) yes but if we are giving them basically all content for free their is no longer a need to fill anymore.

Again Yes some will still join, but the numbers will keep falling, who knows in 15 years at this rate “webmasters” could have regressed all the way back to just creating the days equivalent of web cam pic sites.

[gaystoryman]

And how much free pics and content are you offering in your FHG and other tools for your affiliates Sean? :morning:

[maxpower]

And how much free pics and content are you offering in your FHG and other tools for your affiliates Sean? :morning:

I did say US man, I am as guilty as the next person but its almost required to do almost anything. Don’t get me wrong I only think XXX content should be password protected by LAW, not ALL content, in fact though I think even going as low as R would still vastly benefit everyone.

This would make basically all content more affective advertisements, and leave more exclusively to people that pull out the Visa card.

[Lee]

I did say US man, I am as guilty as the next person but its almost required to do almost anything. Don’t get me wrong I only think XXX content should be password protected by LAW, not ALL content, in fact though I think even going as low as R would still vastly benefit everyone.

This would make basically all content more affective advertisements, and leave more exclusively to people that pull out the Visa card.

So what you are saying is, you are advocating limiting the amount of free content being made available to surfers so that they have to pull out their credit card to get the good stuff.

But at the same time, when someone else actually takes steps to protect their business interests by doing just that (limiting the amount of free content surfers can get) they are wrong?

Hello.. Pot?

Meet Kettle.

Regards,

Lee

[maxpower]

So what you are saying is, you are advocating limiting the amount of free content being made available to surfers so that they have to pull out their credit card to get the good stuff.

But at the same time, when someone else actually takes steps to protect their business interests by doing just that (limiting the amount of free content surfers can get) they are wrong?

Hello.. Pot?

Meet Kettle.

Regards,

Lee

I see the “Pot” my way as benefiting EVERYONE

But I see the “Kettle” as only possibly as benefit to one company, and leading us down a dark path.

It was funny though :thumbsup:

[Dzinerbear]

People in general are less interested in online content very year, and all we have to look forward is throwing more and more free content at viewers, and them getting less and less willing to pay for anything.

Your opening statement is head-scratching to say the least. YouTube, iTunes, et al would seem to punch a gigantic hole through your theory.

I don't think people are any less willing to pay for content. I just redesigned one of my sites two months ago and new sales have jumped 43% -- and that's in the AVS market that is supposedly dead. I think people are tired of paying for crap. They want good quality content, big pictures and videos, weekly (or more) updates; they're less willing to pay for a lot of the product on the Web because it doesn't meet these criteria.

Cheers
Michael

[dalimili]

As much as I can't stand MaxPower, I have to agree with him on some levels. It's partly fault of Link lists that there is soooo much free porn around and that quality of the sites submited is crappy...

Why?

Because almost all gay link lists/directories require site to have somewhere around 50+ photos, if you have 100 photos on your site, you get higher spot, if you have 200 you get nice banner next to your sites name... it's same on Jub, HunkHunter or AltaGay...

so, who on straight side requires that much?? Who in their right mind does that? If you submit more than 28 pics per site on straight links, you're basically breaking their rules...

Now, gay link lists,and gay directories get a grip and fix these things first. Then judge sites equaly based on their design, niche or anything else and not on amount of pictures....

[Titanmen]

There is way too much free and stolen content around. I can get any content I want online for free either through Bit Torrent, Xtube, and any of the other many free "sharing" sites. This is why we are so aggresive when our content is being stolen through these portals.

The only way to compete is to bring pricing down to a level that makes it easier to buy then to steal. Many people are willing to pay to get good quality and legal content. We have to combat the piracy and at the same time give the consumer affordable and available content they want.

It's hard to sell good content, let alone marginal content, when it's free everywhere online. We can't comepte against free.

[maxpower]

Your opening statement is head-scratching to say the least. YouTube, iTunes, et al would seem to punch a gigantic hole through your theory.

I don't think people are any less willing to pay for content. I just redesigned one of my sites two months ago and new sales have jumped 43% -- and that's in the AVS market that is supposedly dead. I think people are tired of paying for crap. They want good quality content, big pictures and videos, weekly (or more) updates; they're less willing to pay for a lot of the product on the Web because it doesn't meet these criteria.

Cheers
Michael

Like they said below man, those are "sharing" sites I am sure if you give a huge amount of free videos and pirated copies of others films, people will show up to watch them. But are they selling access to these videos NO they sell for the most part things that have nothing to do with the videos at all.

YouTube is just showing us where we are going and that’s where even lengthy videos are total free and retable available. I am sure if you want to sell genealogy software this kind of crap is good, but it is NOT good for us.

And look what you are saying viewers want in a AVS site man, that’s insane not to mention Horrifying to me

[dalimili]

Like they said below man, those are "sharing" sites I am sure if you give a huge amount of free videos and pirated copies of others films, people will show up to watch them. But are they selling access to these videos NO they sell for the most part things that have nothing to do with the videos at all.

YouTube is just showing us where we are going and that’s where even lengthy videos are total free and retable available. I am sure if you want to sell genealogy software this kind of crap is good, but it is NOT good for us.

And look what you are saying viewers want in a AVS site man, that’s insane not to mention Horrifying to me

Why would it be insane if AVS members want bigger pictures, quality pictures, even exclusive stuff, movies??? They are the same users, that purchase "other" porn... Is it really strange that he wants something for $39,95 a month?


I don't think so...

[maxpower]

Why would it be insane if AVS members want bigger pictures, quality pictures, even exclusive stuff, movies??? They are the same users, that purchase "other" porn... Is it really strange that he wants something for $39,95 a month?


I don't think so...

Because it's devaluing the content, with content like that you do not need AVS at all. This is the regression I am talking about, when Member Site Owner are reduced to AVS sites because viewers think the content is worthless or at least not worth paying more than 24.95 a YEAR for.

Its such a waste to give AVS members content like that just to get a few bucks a year, all this is going to lead to people then offer the same content for free just get traffic. You do not see a problem with all this, its not rocket science we are talking about, this is basic supply and demand economics

[Xstr8guy]

Because it's devaluing the content, with content like that you do not need AVS at all. This is the regression I am talking about, when Member Site Owner are reduced to AVS sites because viewers think the content is worthless or at least not worth paying more than 24.95 a YEAR for.

Its such a waste to give AVS members content like that just to get a few bucks a year, all this is going to lead to people then offer the same content for free just get traffic. You do not see a problem with all this, its not rocket science we are talking about, this is basic supply and demand economics

Max, you always forget about premium AVS memberships. After all of the processing fees, I earn more money from selling a Platinum AVS membership than I do a membership to UKnakedmen.com. Imo, earning $20 per Platinum sale for a 300 pic gallery is a good return on my investment.

[maxpower]

Max, you always forget about premium AVS memberships. After all of the processing fees, I earn more money from selling a Platinum AVS membership than I do a membership to UKnakedmen.com. Imo, earning $20 per Platinum sale for a 300 pic gallery is a good return on my investment.

Ya man its cool to make AVS sites with 300 pics, and maybe a bit of your exclusive stuff to give them a taste, but Not movies, long videos, or large amounts a image content. Making AVS sites 3 times as large as free sites is fine, but providing Member Site content in a AVS sites is not a good use of your content. Just seems stupid to offer 1000’s pics or even 5 minute videos in AVS sites. We need to hold something back for real members sites.

[Xstr8guy]

We need to hold something back for real members sites.

The point I'm trying to make is that a Premium AVS site is as valid as a full-scale paysite... at least from the angle of income potential. Why shouldn't I use all exclusive content or a complete 20 video scene to make that sale? $20 is $20.