Epoch.... still nothing...

**gaybucks_chip** · 03-28-2007, 04:40 PM

Epoch still hasn't offered any information/comments/explanation about the GayVN retreat, the scheduling of it, and the exclusion of CCBill from it... so I'm just reminding people that the company that is aggressively courting our business has so far completely avoided ANY mention of this...

For those of you who haven't read the related thread, all publicly available information indicates that AVN, Epoch, and Cybersocket got together and planned an event directly against the already-scheduled Gay Phoenix Forum, a well received, loved, and much-anticipated event.

Those in the sponsoring group that have spoken have alluded to their being other reasons, but nobody is offering up any details, so based on currently available public information, all we have to go on is appearances that indicate these companies are not interested in industrywide cooperation and unity.

I (and many others) would like to make sure that webmasters have this information available to them when making decisions about which companies are most supportive of the community as a whole, and interested in unity and cooperation.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am interested in all-inclusive events in which all companies, webmasters, billers, and others related to the industry are invited to participate and support. Only in this way can our small but successful segment of the industry continue to grow and prosper.

I encourage others interested to keep bumping this thread, commenting, and reading and bumping the related ones:

http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ad.php?t=22524
http://forums.gaywidewebmasters.com/...ad.php?t=22682

until satisfactory answers or other resolution are provided to the community.

wnc · 03-28-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by gaybucks_chip

Epoch still hasn't offered any information/comments/explanation about the GayVN retreat, the scheduling of it, and the exclusion of CCBill from it... so I'm just reminding people that the company that is aggressively courting our business has so far completely avoided ANY mention of this...

Thank you gaybucks_chip for keeping this issue active at GWW.

I remain angry.

Let us review some of the facts as I understand them as a reader of GWW. If anyone disputes my comments, I will search and give you a link.

It seems Epoch decided to strongly seek Gay Webmaster contracts. They hired Patrick away from CCCILL and Raney from PrideBucks. Seems to me a simple plan to earn major bucks from the Gay webmasters.

FACT:

Suddenly a show was scheduled weeks away from a planned show.

CCBILL was the host of the planned SECOND YEAR EVENT and at the past CCBILL show... all were invited, including competition Epoch.

FACT:

The new show has a non-compete clause. So the visitors don't see the true variations of GAY (including CCBILL as being denied).

WHY SHOULD THERE BE A GAY SHOW
that opens doors to some special companies,
SLAMMING IT SHUT FOR OTHERS?

**SPACE GLIDER** · 03-29-2007, 12:18 AM

Treating people like crap is NOT cool. What's even less cool is how passive too many seem to be over it.

**gaybucks_chip** · 03-29-2007, 03:58 PM

Bump....

**Lee** · 04-04-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER

Treating people like crap is NOT cool. What's even less cool is how passive too many seem to be over it.

The reason for this, from what i found out at the show last week, is that a lot of people still have a perception of the group of companies involved in this whole mess that they are someone to be feared, that this group of companies has some kind of 'power' in the industry, specifically on the gay side of things and frankly, that just isnt the case at all....

The more people that begin to realize this, the better off we'll all be on the gay side of things.

Regards,

Lee

**gaybucks_chip** · 04-04-2007, 07:39 PM

No individual or organization in this industry has power, except to the extent that others YIELD that power. It's very much like the Wizard of Oz here... the Great and Powerful Oz is really a dude behind a curtain, and everything else is a facade.

Particularly in the online adult industry, the distributed nature of the Net, traffic, billers, etc., make it impossible for power to be concentrated in any meaningful way, regardless what one or more companies might want for others to believe.

The sooner that people wake up and realize this, and act out of what's best instead of perceived fear from a nonexistent power source, the sooner the industry as a whole, and individual businesses within it will thrive.

**TropixxxStudios** · 04-04-2007, 10:16 PM

All I can say is that Epoch's move smacked of unethical business practice. Not explaining their actions even make it seem more so.

I know if I proccessed with them I would cancel....but since I don't, all I can do it complain here.

I hope that maybe someone will come forward with an explanation that makes sense. But the reason we haven't heard anything is probably because there isn't one.

**A_DeAngelo** · 04-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by wnc

FACT:

The new show has a non-compete clause. So the visitors don't see the true variations of GAY (including CCBILL as being denied).

WHY SHOULD THERE BE A GAY SHOW
that opens doors to some special companies,
SLAMMING IT SHUT FOR OTHERS?

it comes as no surprise to us - this type of "ganging" behavior happens all the time (to us) - its all about money, nothing more...