Chip....

What EXACTLY is it that you want these people to say?

It's pretty clear that everyone was in negotiation over this, and for some reason the negotiations fell apart. Anything anyone says at this point, from either CCbill, Epoch, or AVN is simply going to look like finger pointing or blaming.

You have never been in negotiations and had them fall apart before? And when it happens, what are we supposed to do? The "gentlemanly" thing to do is just shut up, because usually, everyone has a valid point of view, and even if they don't - well, you don't air your private grievances in a public forum! Especially when you usually work together on a daily basis!

As to closing sponsorship to CCbill, c'mon. CCbill was quicker to market with decent affiliate tools, Epoch is trying to catch up -- and as I see it is making a much more dedicated play to our market. Now, I dont know about how you run YOUR company - but ours is having a big event in New York next month. I am not inviting my competitors to it. You know why? Because it would be a STUPID thing to do... and its MY party!

CCbill did NOT have to cancel Gay Phoenix. Its a much more popular show, and had they not cancelled it, many more webmasters would have gone to Phoenix than to LA. CCbill made a CHOICE to cancel thier show. So, could it be they weren't as dedicated to doing Gay Phoenix as we are all assuming here?

I have a suggestion for everyone here who is bitching on this board. Call Frank at Epoch. Call GayVN. Call Sean at CCbill. Because I guarentee this whole issue is being blown WAY out of proportion.