I'm not talking about parents forcing kids to do something. If you don't get your shots, you simply are not allowed to attend school. This is a preventative measure to ensure that disease isn't spread from child to child.Originally Posted by Mansized
Seat belts and smoke detectors are also preventative measures that have been made into laws. Sometimes things are proven to save lives, yet people don't take advantage of them so a law is made to force it.
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I think it's ironic that you consider the solution to the HIV crisis to be condom use, yet you pay people to bareback.
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[QUOTE=Matt 26z;223009]I think it's ironic that you consider the solution to the HIV crisis to be condom use, yet you pay people to bareback.[/QUOTE
Representing a few Adult Studios and content providers that shoot bareback, I know first hand they seem to get allot more of the blame for the virus spread than they should. I've seen every film that Bill has produced and on every single one of them there is a disclaimer on the dangers of having unprotected sex and to show that adult films are only a fantasy as they have been for the last 40 years. Anyone that actually thinks that they're going to get laid ordering a pizza, in my opinion needs all the education they can get. I bet your one of the narrow minded people that consider pre condom films different than bareback. It's the same.....period. Just as the major condom studios are again re releasing films from the pre condom era as no condom films instead of pre condom films, showing that a film with no condoms used is just that and no fancy term can change that, if someone sells a film with no condoms today, there is no difference in the ways it's marketed...it's bareback!!
I'm not trying to get off topic here so let me address the issue at hand. You appear to be unhappy with this countries way of doing things. If this is the case then your free to leave. Education is vital to our way of living! When a government or head of state lobbies for mandatory testing of anything without first demanding education I would find that person or persons to be possibly from another country and last I heard, Arnold didn't have a New York accent!! It seems that everyone with an opinion on this matter aside from you is against being told what they're going to do as well do I. If you honestly feel that mandatory adult testing without the proposal of education first isn't irresponsible, then again, you may want to reconsider your residing country.:thumbsdown:
For the record, I don't see anywhere in this thread where Bill said anything about a solution either so you may want to hold back when considering putting words into a persons mouth, as it make you less likely to be taken seriously. I find it unlikely that there is any other solution aside from not having sex at all, which is obviously not going to happen. Having 3 children, 2 boys and a girl , I lobby for education in our schooling systems as I feel that not at least addressing the matter is certainly causing much more harm then good. I want my children to have as much knowledge as possible in all matters of life. Especially ones that can remove them from it.
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I think its a GREAT IDEA - Knowledge IS power - if people know their status, they might do something positive about taking care of themselves but most importantly, it will help to keep them from spreading the infection - and will also help people who know they are negative to remain so by not putting themselves at risk...
AIDS is serious and only serious measures will help stop the spread of HIV
I guess the reason I agree so much with everyone having to get an HIV test because I mean what does it hurt??? I mean you dont even have to be pricked with a needle anymore.. It would help out awhole lot if America as a nation can come together and go ( Ok yeah we will take this test so that we can help out others being infected without knowing and also put those criminals to justice that are spreading HIV ) But instead americans HAVE TO GO YELLING DOWN THE STREETS.. Our freedom is being ripped away BLAH BLAH BLAH when it really should be more of a group effort from us as americans to try and stop and wild and evil treand of the illegal spread of HIV.
My friend he was "16" years old.. The first guy he got together with was 32 and then at the age of 17 on his 18th birthday my friend found out he was HUV positive and the guy ( his boyfriend ) freaked out and left town cause he didnt tell my friend.. I know it was not right for a 16 year old to be with a 32 to year but at the same time there is thousands of people outside right now having sex with people without telling them and I think it is one of the evilest things to do to someone and It makes me so mad when I even think of it..
I think now days a lot of gay men and even the str8 community dont fear HIV because these doctors and clinics are saying to people.. You are going to live a healthy full life if you just take this poison everyday to keep you alive. If people did there homework it is much more than just a pill and it is a lot more painful then they think. I have sat by someones bed and watched them die even with those damn pills. I think it is worth the 1 sacrifice americans will be having to make to make our country a healthier place. I dont think it is good that US as americans are always walking around throwing TISSY fits cause we have been spoiled with FREEDOM and then when it comes down to working as team members as a nation then people start getting nasty and techinical cause they dont wanna have to do something really minor to make everyones lives better.
OF COURSE THIS IS MY OPINION AND IM NOT TRYING TO PUSH IT ON ANYONE BUT I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA
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KT
P.s. I think it would also have an AMAZING EFFECT ON A GAY STUDIO TO COME FORWARD AND BE LIKE HEY.. Our studio will go first to set an example and healthy trendsI think it would show a huge maturity in our community. The studio(s) who stepped forward I think would gain a ton of respect in many different ways. There is nothing wrong with being mature and informed about HIV.
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ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT MEANT TO PISS ANYONE OFF OR BE RUDE OR ARGUEMENTATIVE.. This is just my opinion.. Like I have said before.. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.. So please take no offense.
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I TOTALLY AGREE!! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!!
I don't really have a problem with the testing part. I think everyone should get tested regularly. I'm way overdue and planning on getting tested in the next week or so. But I have a hard time with Government mandated anything. I'm always afraid there's some hidden agenda. You label CDs and suddenly some right wing wacko organization is boycotting stores with any CDs labeled as offensive. We still live in a country where government officials are vetoing bills to protect gay people from hate crimes. People think of HIV still being a gay disease. I dunno, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Maybe I've been listening to the conspiracy theories on Coast to Coast too much.
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I guess I have never thought of that.. The Government does have a hidden agenda alot and who knows why they are doing.. Im hoping it is for the good of the people and it may not be.. I do have my fingers crossed though cause if this was presented right. I think it could have very positive results if it has pure intentions of course.
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Quite the gilded cage we are building!
Remember at first vaccinations for children were at the will of the parent, now they are MANDATORY by the government.
HIV / AIDS is still seen as a Gay disease in America.
HIV / AIDS is not even in the top ten causes of death in America, or California. (source http://www.dhs.ca.gov/hisp/chs/OHIR/...sofca/0510.pdf )
If the governer was really concerned about people unkowingly having a life threatening condition and being randomly tested to educate the public, then he'd test for diseases listed in the top ten killers for California at minimum.
#1 Heart disease
#1 Malignant Neoplasms
#3 Cerebrovascular disease
#4 Chronic lower respiratory disease
#6 influenza & Pneumonia
#7 Diabetes
#9 Chronic Liver disease & Cirrhosis
Saying you are going to randomly test for HIV is like saying you'll randomly test for crack. The general poplution would conclude that Gays and blacks are being targeted. Don't be idealistic, wake up!
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Statistically think about it... if the Gay population is at 10% and the drug tests are random among the total population, and HIV is spread mainly among the Gay community, then at best it would be like trying to catch a fly with chopsticks... and once they have the results then what? You always hear about these people with HIV that know and don't care who they spread it to, purposely withholding their status... so this will do wont stop them, it will only help a precious few, a very small percentage.
If random testing is to be done, it should be done for the BIG silent killers, as I listed above, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Diabetes, etc. Don't you agree?
You cant spread hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease that is the problem.. IM ALSO NOT MAKING THIS A GAY ISSUE.. This is for everyone.. right now woman they say are the biggest carriers and spreaders of HIV right now so Im not making this a "GAY" problem.. Im just saying that evil people need to be stopped somehow.. I know tons of gay people who have HIV and I know of them dont say anything WHICH IS WRONG! 100% FUCKED UP AND WRONG!! I dont know what the solution to fix the problem is and I dont trust my government very much but in the grand scheme of things if handled and presented correctly would be amazing. HIV is very serious and I find lots of the people like to dilute it seem not so harmful or emotional and life threatening.. I guess a lot of people talk without even knowing what it feels like to be a victim ( If you where in there shoes would you still have the outlook you do?? especially when the police woont help you take down a criminal spreading HIV ?? )The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Statistically think about it... if the Gay population is at 10% and the drug tests are random among the total population, and HIV is spread mainly among the Gay community, then at best it would be like trying to catch a fly with chopsticks... and once they have the results then what? You always hear about these people with HIV that know and don't care who they spread it to, purposely withholding their status... so this will do wont stop them, it will only help a precious few, a very small percentage.
If random testing is to be done, it should be done for the BIG silent killers, as I listed above, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Diabetes, etc. Don't you agree?
I can say I have had the really undelightful experience of watching my UNCLE die from HIV cause his partner didnt tell him and also the have seen it destroy A BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED BOYS LIFE AT THE YOUNG AGE OF 17 CAUSE OF SOME OLD NASTY PRICK WHO WANTED TO GET OFF IN SOME YOUNG BOY BUT DIDNT SAY ANYTHING CAUSE HE WAS TO DAMN SELFISH. So I guess I feel alot more passionately about some sort of solution to this MUCH LARGER problem than people think it is. Knowledge is power and the bullshit needs to stop somewhere. If people cant start acting civily and responsibly then people are going to start getting controlled like barn animals..
Everyone can go poiting fingers at our government to.. But there is a ton of bullshit people do that make it bad for everyone else.. ( I agree our government does a lot of fucked up shit to but Im so glad to not live in any other country but mine
I remember being in class in 10th grade.. Some guy stole some girls purse and they teacher couldnt legally search anyone.. That day we where suppose to go to 6 flags for a very important field trip.. EVERYONE WAS SO HAPPY AND SO EXCITED.. Then the purse went missing and no one could find it.. A lot of people where pretty sure who did it cause he took off after 5th period. That day sadly the trip was cancelled because they needed to figure out what happened and who did it. Because of 1 person our whole trip was ruined.. I know this is a bad example.. but you get my point this sorta thing happens in all facets of life and it seems to be pretty natural. ABUNCH OF PEOPLE DO FUCKED UP SHIT AND RUINS THINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
LOL it is like when that UPS truck crashed on that snowy road like a year ago in colorado and people where jumping out of there fucking cars to steal packages and run back to there cars before the police and everyone got there LOL and then got all pissed off cause all these people got arrested. WELL NO SHIT DUDE.. It is like people all want it there own way and sadly I want things my way all the time too but everyone needs to compromise to make this world a better place.
I personally dont mind proving myself with a simple little test ( all they do is rub your mouth with this swab and you get results ASAP
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Squirt, I think the idea is to stop the spread of an infectious disease. That's why they won't test for things such as heart disease or cancer. But my point is that they won't allow safe sex to be talked about in school, they cut funding for AIDS research, and they're not trying to put out messages about the health risks of HIV and how to stop the spread, but they're going to have mandatory testing to try and find out who already has it. What then?
Seriously, where else but in the gay community do you see health information and public service announcements about HIV and AIDS. Open up Frontiers, or In Los Angeles, or any one of the myriad of gay publications across the country and you'll see the HIV Stops With Me campaign. Or any of the other many notices about HIV meds, organizations like Being Alive and stuff like that. Open up People Magazine and you're lucky to see a blurb about Elton John holding an AIDS fundraiser. Nobody's warning het women about the dangers of unprotected sex beyond avoiding getting pregnant. Or straight men. They are still at risk, but there's no education about it at all.
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Have you read the bill? Here is the bill and amendment info: http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bil..._enrolled.html
"The bill would require the medical provider, if a patient declines the test, to note that fact in the patient's medical file."
There is nothing in the bill that states the idea is to stop the spread of HIV, only that you can be tested without written authorization now and if you decline the test it will be noted in your medical files legally, whereas before you had to give written consent to the test and they could not put your rufusal to take the test in your medical file.
Another thing to note:
"In California through March 31, 2006, women comprised about eight percent of all reported adult/adolescent AIDS cases (11,514 of 139,781)." (source: http://www.dhs.ca.gov/AIDS/Resources...72WomenHIV.pdf )
This bill isn't about heterosexual women/men being tested for HIV/AIDS it's about Gay men, the vast majority of cases in California being tested without written consent and if they refuse, it's noted in their medical file.
In order to receive a sexually transmitted disease it takes two people. Unless you have gone and been tested with someone and seen their results in person you will never know if your partner isn't HIV+.
How does this bill help stop the spread of HIV?
So you are saying people shouldnt trust anyone and everyone before they have sex should run to the clinic together ( No offense or anything but trust in life is something very important and if you cannot trust people unless they have a consequence that is said) .. GOD THIS SURE WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE HAD THE CONTROL TO WAIT AND RUN DOWN THE CLINIC BEFORE THEY PUT IT IN PEOPLES ORIFICES.. Why not people just tell the truth and stop being evil liars
Love KT
P.s. it doesnt stop it completly.. No one said that.. It sure is somewhat of a promising start. Knowledge is power and AWARENESS IS SMART
BTW - Im not knocking anyones opinions cause everyone that commented has very good arguements and opinions. Im just giving some of my insight. PEACE!
Children...adults..BIG difference between these two "groups".
Kids are together enmasse putting their fingers in their mouths and others. They are a readily available carrier for diseases. We are talking apples and oranges uses the children vs the adult example. Just doesn't wash.
Same for seat belts & smoke detectors, etc etc etc.
You aren't FORCED to have a smoke detector, you aren't FORCED to wear a seat belt. Sure, you can get fined for not wearing one, but it is still your choice.
Finally, I find it interesting that those who advocate the passage of this bill thinks this is going to have a signficant impact on slowing the spread of hiv.
Really? How many people NOW, who know they are hiv+ are still having unprotected sex? It's dangerous, wishful thinking that is taking place here.
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